While Dota is definitely a competitive game, the competitiveness has its limits. Due to restraints on funding and infrastructure, not a lot of people can dedicate all their time on Dota and play in an organized environment, where they can easily focus on improving. As a result, anything below 7,5K+ average MMR will not look impressive to people like you and me, who analyze the game and care to watch what people are doing. That doesn't mean that people aren't good, but we have very few people in Dota who play well consistently and are clever and dedicated enough to always do the right thing. That's why you don't see a lot of change among the top teams - this game does not support a huge talent pool; at least not financially. Considering all the imperfect players at below 7,5K MMR, you have to remind yourself: you are one of them. If you feel you have a lot of things down about the game and you are confident in your own abilities, the first thing you need to work on is how you work with your teammates.
I mean this sounds good, but every time I play a game everyone in the game is shit and doesn't care at all. I honestly think the system is either rigged or just doesn't have a clear way to measure skill. Also, alot of my games i feel like bizzare shit happens like people auto attack me from 800 units away and my last hits just mysteriously miss like my auto attack just doesn't render right. Idk if they just put me on a low priority server with lag spikes and choppynes but sometimes it feels like im getting juked by the game. Also often my hero just stands there while the rest of the game runs perfectly fine. Another thing that happens is in teamfights if I have an attribute point it will pop up and wont let me cast any spells and I will press "Q,W,E or R" like 20 times and it just does nothing until I individually click the point with my mouse and by then im just fucking dead. Makes no sense, because most of the time I can use my hotkey to select it and there was no reason for it to prompt me to select it.
Honestly, there are so many things that just don't seem legitimate about this game. I respect alot of your opinions, at least the people who argue legitimately. From my perspective the game fucking hates me and wants me to lose.
Please explain this, I have had games where there was an enemy creep that I was waiting to lasthit, it was taking creep agro right outside of the tower. So I was waiting for it to be low enough to last hit. It wasn't taking any agro from the tower and the tower wasn't agroing anything at all. The creep was stationary and not moving at all. As soon as I go to last hit the creep the tower just randomly decides to agro onto the creep that is not moving at all and steal my last hit. This honestly has happened like 5 times to me now. I have been in alot of fights with lycan, I press Q for my wolves, then hit my necros and then W and then R, then select everything around me with a box from my mouse. I then proceed to attack enemys, my wolves are nowhere to be seen and didn't get selected. Its just little shit like this that adds up, and the game constantly does this shit. Like I said, with my attribute points it always fucking prompts me to put a skillpoint when I am in middle of a fiight randomly even when I turn off the hotkey to do so. Its annoying as fuck and makes it so I fuck up my micro. Or, I will press "A" and then a creep that is about to die to deny it, I click the creep before it dies but the game makes it take that damage a little before it should and makes my hero attack an enemy creep that I don't want to attack instead(this seems common when watching other players it seems to happen sometimes). The most annoying one of all these is when my hero just fucking walks and stands there for a second when I tell it to do something completely different(gabe newell has my ip ready to go). My lycan wolfs simply do not auto attack anything when they are invisible(this may be normal? not sure, but sometimes they seem to attack and sometimes they don't unless I tell them specifically what to attack).
Not sure if this is just cause valve doesn't care about my game quality and gives me bad servers or its just intentional, but sometimes it costs me the game.
Another thing thats annoying as fuck (pretty sure this one is normal) is if I use an ability but get stunned before it goes off or I press the button while im stunned, it fucking goes off after the stun when the situation is completely different and I don't any longer want to use that abillity. An example, I see a LC or Beastmaster blink onto me as Luna, so I try to press R before they stun but they get it off first my ult doesnt case until their stun is over and im fucking dead already wasting my ult.
From my perspective the game fucking hates me and wants me to lose.
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Please explain this, I have had games where there was an enemy creep that I was waiting to lasthit, it was taking creep agro right outside of the tower. So I was waiting for it to be low enough to last hit. It wasn't taking any agro from the tower and the tower wasn't agroing anything at all. The creep was stationary and not moving at all. As soon as I go to last hit the creep the tower just randomly decides to agro onto the creep that is not moving at all and steal my last hit. This honestly has happened like 5 times to me now.
I have been in alot of fights with lycan, I press Q for my wolves, then hit my necros and then W and then R, then select everything around me with a box from my mouse. I then proceed to attack enemys, my wolves are nowhere to be seen and didn't get selected. Its just little shit like this that adds up, and the game constantly does this shit
Its just little shit like this that adds up, and the game constantly does this shit. Like I said, with my attribute points it always fucking prompts me to put a skillpoint when I am in middle of a fiight randomly even when I turn off the hotkey to do so. Its annoying as fuck and makes it so I fuck up my micro. Or, I will press "A" and then a creep that is about to die to deny it, I click the creep before it dies but the game makes it take that damage a little before it should and makes my hero attack an enemy creep that I don't want to attack instead(this seems common when watching other players it seems to happen sometimes). The most annoying one of all these is when my hero just fucking walks and stands there for a second when I tell it to do something completely different(gabe newell has my ip ready to go)
If anyone wants a TL:DR of this thread.
From my perspective the game fucking hates me and wants me to lose.
Well, this thread isn't for people who dislike reading that's for sure. If I can spend 5 minutes typing it you can spend 2 minutes reading it. Or is your attention span too low?
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im not sure if worth to comment anymore in this thread because of a huge number of retards here comenting here with pointles arguments and repeating each others thats why i didnt read all of them. but as i see this thread was more active after my comment, so i think i own a last reply to all those those pro players that they say they are 5k or more and they think its ez to win in los mmr brackets and their most stronger argument is ' COMME 1 VS1'. ahahhahahahhahahahhhha, so fucking ironic they show themself they are some fucking noob kids that knows shit about dota, and thats the best argument that proves mmr its not = player skills. listen kid wtf you saying jsut listen yourself and think with your brain before writing nonsens here, 1 vs 1 its only a factor that determines how good a player is , is jsut 1 fucking factor , 1 from a lot others more improtant , like teamplay and strategy and tactics you liitle fuck, and gues why ? cause is a fucking strategy game based on teeam play and not based 1 vs1 skill you dumbfucks. think about football you litle kids if yo uever saw football in your life playing dota 1vs1 is jsut same as playing football 1 vs1,. im not saying that this means nothing but i t means not to much its max 10% of all factord that determine how good a player is . IF ANYONE ELSE WANT TO REPLY HERE, PLS DONT SPAM IN THIS THREAD IF YOUR NOT A DOTA 1 PLAYER, I DONT CARE HOW YOUR MMR IS OR HOW GOOD YOU THINK YOU ARE. IM 100% YOU NEED AT LEAST 4-5 MORE YEARS OF DOTA TO BE AT MY LEVEL.
"high skill" isn't actually high skill and "very high skill" isn't actually very high skill dota
Thanks to those brackets we just see if there is someone below 3k or above 3.7k
this is the best thread ever
OP is the definition of dunning kruger effect
here are many 6-7k players that would like to 1v1 you, so can you please do that so you will just accept that you're shit
i climbed from 2k to 4k and i can admit that i would get rekt even in 5k average and the matchmaking is working just fine. any 3k can carry in 1k, any 7k can carry in 5k and so on
There are - 7k players here to 1v1 me. IDK wtf you are smoking. and i already gave my reason for not 1v1ing, first of all I don't play mid. second of all 1v1 has nothing to do with actual dota.
I also said if there is a 7k player that wants to 1v1 i would be down. I never dodged anyone but im not paying anyone money for a 1v1.
and again you dodge the whole message by sticking on one little meaningless typing mistake
jesus fucking christ
ps we all are not native english speakers on the internet
1v1 hasnt got much to do with dota but the difference between mechanical skill in 3k and 7k is just massive and that only is a significant way to measure skill in dota 2
i rly doubt that you climbd, but even if you climbed its not that you carried those games jsut your enemy was moree shit than you and they lsot the game , and your 1 of the lucky ones that were more times in the right side and not i nthe wrong side. about your argument explaing me how a 3k player can carry a game were in his team are already 4 carries feeding the enemy and by accident the enemy team not suck that much in thier pick at least not as muc ha your team, or even worst the have the decent pick and they feeded.for you cant carry that cause miralce or artezy also cant carry that gues what cause is fucking imposible, thats why reading your argument im 99% that you didnt climbed, or even if you climbed you were superlucky. and jsut to reinforce my argument vs yours if it was that the best player in game can carry even if his team suck, than ARGENTINA would won always world cup cause of mesi,. think about it the logic its the same as dota if yo uhave at least basic knowledge about dota adn your not a 100% accidental player. MY DUMB FRIEND VALTZU.
^what the fuck are you trying to say? i didn't even realize you were talking to me until i read the last sentence of your message.
you're just a fucking normal skill smurf just like OP who has played 131 games in ranked matchmaking with an astonishing win rate of 39.69 %.
you know I, along with many others I believe, have made smurfs 'cos I thought I'd deserve a higher mmr and my teammates always hold me back. but i never got significantly higher mmr by smurfing, and if I managed to gain a little, I dropped back very fast. sometimes you just need to accept that you're shit in order to improve. it's not about getting lucky as you said. luck applies on short term and improvement in the long run.
ps i never said i was good at dota 2
If you don't think you are good at dota 2 you have no opinion in this post. If you are trash you lack the abillity to understand the concepts I am theorizing. Nothing wrong with being bad at dota 2, but don't come onto a forum talking about balance/rigging if you know that you suck. How can you even have an opinion.
LOL. completely dodged the argument of mine , just foccusing in this acc, cause you thought you found something to counter my argyment with another thing. dude i've explained about this acc about 2 days ago in my first coment this is 1 of my smurf at the dasy that istarted to smurf , andi quickly quited again cause think that is not worth. so i 've played only the first games in this acc and after calibrating gave this a friend of mine that is new to dota. so kid if you wanna reply me dont write same shit that you and yout 'friends ' writed before and stop repeating your self. ' your jsut a normal skil player', with that your showing that you should not been commenting her at al cause this is waht we are talking about here you dumb fuck super fat kid probably. nrm skill hs vhs mmr, its a lot determined by luck, and all those that have high have only 1 argument m we are high cause we are good. yo uare good my ass if your good prove to me than answer my comment and dont doge it. your not talking to somone that started dota nowdays i play dota for 7-8 years before, and im prety sure that mostly of 4-5 k players may be know and about dota now, as much asi used to know about 5 years ago sincein dota 1.
but how come it's always the normal skill players here telling that the game/matchmaking is rigged? i have not seen a single 6k+ player saying mmr system is flawed in some way cos they have achieved that mmr cos they deserve it. they perform well in the long run and whoever claims it's because they're "lucky" or some other shit is just simply retarded cos they have thousands of games so that said luck cant be used as an explanation.
i do admit that i suck and and i also have an opinion on the topic which i expressed very clearly. if you have 3k mmr, you are 3k mmr. if you are in 3k mmr and you are really a 7k player you will get that 7k in no time. there is nothing wrong in matchmaking, it accordingly grants you mmr based on your performance. it is almost impossible to abuse the game in order to get higher mmr than you deserve.
edit:smoking kills i could have answered your argument but unfortunately i can't get your message cos you express yourself like a retard. maybe try to be a bit clearer on what you're trying to say. and btw "i gave this acc to my friend" argument is just as valid as i claimed to be Donald Trump when we're talking on the internet
yeah bro im prety sure if you haveno knolewdge to explain and to analise how a game is lost or won that, you have no idea about dota wahtever your mmr is. and im prety sure these guys are some fucking arrogant/ignorand dota players that they think every game they loose or win its cause of them and dont understand thati nteam play the max they can do is 20% even dendi itself had admited this, and if those guys have a min of logic which a human being is supposed to have, must know that the rest that is 80% is not in their hands but it's luck and many factors that acomplishe that 80% that is not in your hands and you cant do nothing about it.
omfg im rly quiting with this thread. its so fucking horrible reading those coments, i cant imagine how this guys comme here to discuse about mmr and about player skill and have 1 and only argument ' ig you have 3k than your a a 3k mmr player' HOLY SHIT . whats the point to debate here if you have only the argument, which is not a argmunet in fact, cause this is the problem about we are talking if this is true or not, and they jsut keep spaming ' a 7k player desrve to be a 7 k' or ' if yo uhave 2k mmr than your an 2k player'. holy shit what we are disccusing here its much deeper in that and its not for low iq people pls, even if your a 8k player of a pro player, dont comment here if thats all yo ucan say and the only argument that you have and you have no proves at all even to defend that 1 and only argument you have for fuck sake stop this madnes pls.
i really don't know how can you get so mad. In my opinion it's normal to have different points of views in conversations and for people to contribute their own. What is the point on debating if everyone just blindly agrees to accept one conclusion like all of you who think matchmaking is rigged? You try to convince everyone to think so when there is simply just no evidence of such thing, just your own imaginary and conspiracy theories. There is evidence that the best players in the world who have high MMR also play in LAN tournaments and make a living out of that while ya'll be still whining that you deserve higher MMR. Well shit, can you just answer me the question: why are you still Normal Skill if you deserve to be a 7K player? And let's try another one just to give some more perspective: would you rather take business-related advice from a person that has won in the lottery rather than from a person who has worked his ass off in order to earn all his wealth? I think the answer is pretty clear right here...
Edit: "Because they think they deserve it. Durrr, willfully ignorant."
Explains how much you know about the MMR-system. Maximum calibration you can get is somewhere around 4,8K. So basically if there is a 6K player it means he has to carry his team all the way from 5K to 6K MMR. So can you honestly say they just think they deserve it? Have you ever thought that maybe they earned it?
i know waht you mean bro and im maybe the only one hre that understand waht you saying and thats cause of my big experience in dota . and cause of my exp i've seen almost everything and all scenarios about matchmaking and dota 2 players. i have friends that the have about 3k and they have no idea at all about dota man, if it was for them they would loose everysingle game with the way they play its rly fucking horrible , i've seen them building echo sabre on invo , and much more biger mistakes and have 0 strategy and 0 ideas of how game works, and cause of my exp i've played also with some 1k players andi was shocked when many of them were much better than those with 3k i mean the difference was huuuuuuuuge.
pls ban or delte this valtzy comments he keeps saying same think in other words, im sure he is a retard kid or a drunken one m he repeats the same mistake over and over again in hsi coments i cant take anymore
I don't keep saying the same shit all over again. You just keep neglecting everything else in my messages and keep discussing only one of my argument while on the other hand your arguments consist of calling me a retard, fat, a kid, drunken and the list goes on. You are not capable of discussing the thing here, just going for personal insults as a way to get your shit through. And to mention, none of those insults apply on me and lack evidence just like your arguments on the MMR-topic as well.
"Show me some next level plays and I will explain why they are nothing out of the ordinary. Show me whats so next level in these 7k games."
Just watch any Miracle replays, for example Ember Spirit gameplay to begin with. Of course anyone can explain, but the thing here is, could you pull out the same shit even in 3K average MMR? I doubt it.
"I will never be pro so I am just gonna play for fun and collect skins. I know I suck at the game cause MIRACLE! Have you see miracle when he presses Q he does it so much better than me. His situational awareness is so high, like every time he sees a tower that he can defend he TP in, every time he gets massive freefarm he wins the game cause hes so much better than me. If you put miracle with a team of 2ks he would carry them to victory every time because his awareness is so fucking next level."
Miracle would win 95% of 2k average games he played in because no one else in the game would be able to match him in skill. We're talking about the player who went through most of the manila major main event without a death.
I hope for OP's sake that he is trolling, but I have this feeling he doesn't. Anyone who makes such a effort in spreading bullshit on a computer game forum, must have some serious issues.
My condolences OP, I hope you one day will become a mentally healthy individual.
"Miracle would win 95% of 2k average games he played in because no one else in the game would be able to match him in skill. We're talking about the player who went through most of the manila major main event without a death." also a safelane carry player who had support.
technically miracle has to carry lower mmr players. since he has such high mmr. but the game wouldn't put him with 2k players against 5k players. because the math is wrong.
^ And seemingly, the "math is wrong" in every fcking game that I play for some reason. Just like the math is wrong to have 5 carries on one team. Just like the math is wrong for my team to farm my exp and creeps with their spells destroying my stats, blending my in with any other shitstain in the game. Just like the math is wrong to have an MMR that doesn't reset frequently.
OP read this please https://www.sociedelic.com/four-stages-spiritual-growth/
While Dota is definitely a competitive game, the competitiveness has its limits. Due to restraints on funding and infrastructure, not a lot of people can dedicate all their time on Dota and play in an organized environment, where they can easily focus on improving. As a result, anything below 7,5K+ average MMR will not look impressive to people like you and me, who analyze the game and care to watch what people are doing. That doesn't mean that people aren't good, but we have very few people in Dota who play well consistently and are clever and dedicated enough to always do the right thing. That's why you don't see a lot of change among the top teams - this game does not support a huge talent pool; at least not financially. Considering all the imperfect players at below 7,5K MMR, you have to remind yourself: you are one of them. If you feel you have a lot of things down about the game and you are confident in your own abilities, the first thing you need to work on is how you work with your teammates.
I mean this sounds good, but every time I play a game everyone in the game is shit and doesn't care at all. I honestly think the system is either rigged or just doesn't have a clear way to measure skill. Also, alot of my games i feel like bizzare shit happens like people auto attack me from 800 units away and my last hits just mysteriously miss like my auto attack just doesn't render right. Idk if they just put me on a low priority server with lag spikes and choppynes but sometimes it feels like im getting juked by the game. Also often my hero just stands there while the rest of the game runs perfectly fine. Another thing that happens is in teamfights if I have an attribute point it will pop up and wont let me cast any spells and I will press "Q,W,E or R" like 20 times and it just does nothing until I individually click the point with my mouse and by then im just fucking dead. Makes no sense, because most of the time I can use my hotkey to select it and there was no reason for it to prompt me to select it.
heys mods why isnt this thread closed yet
Honestly, there are so many things that just don't seem legitimate about this game. I respect alot of your opinions, at least the people who argue legitimately. From my perspective the game fucking hates me and wants me to lose.
Please explain this, I have had games where there was an enemy creep that I was waiting to lasthit, it was taking creep agro right outside of the tower. So I was waiting for it to be low enough to last hit. It wasn't taking any agro from the tower and the tower wasn't agroing anything at all. The creep was stationary and not moving at all. As soon as I go to last hit the creep the tower just randomly decides to agro onto the creep that is not moving at all and steal my last hit. This honestly has happened like 5 times to me now. I have been in alot of fights with lycan, I press Q for my wolves, then hit my necros and then W and then R, then select everything around me with a box from my mouse. I then proceed to attack enemys, my wolves are nowhere to be seen and didn't get selected. Its just little shit like this that adds up, and the game constantly does this shit. Like I said, with my attribute points it always fucking prompts me to put a skillpoint when I am in middle of a fiight randomly even when I turn off the hotkey to do so. Its annoying as fuck and makes it so I fuck up my micro. Or, I will press "A" and then a creep that is about to die to deny it, I click the creep before it dies but the game makes it take that damage a little before it should and makes my hero attack an enemy creep that I don't want to attack instead(this seems common when watching other players it seems to happen sometimes). The most annoying one of all these is when my hero just fucking walks and stands there for a second when I tell it to do something completely different(gabe newell has my ip ready to go). My lycan wolfs simply do not auto attack anything when they are invisible(this may be normal? not sure, but sometimes they seem to attack and sometimes they don't unless I tell them specifically what to attack).
Not sure if this is just cause valve doesn't care about my game quality and gives me bad servers or its just intentional, but sometimes it costs me the game.
Another thing thats annoying as fuck (pretty sure this one is normal) is if I use an ability but get stunned before it goes off or I press the button while im stunned, it fucking goes off after the stun when the situation is completely different and I don't any longer want to use that abillity. An example, I see a LC or Beastmaster blink onto me as Luna, so I try to press R before they stun but they get it off first my ult doesnt case until their stun is over and im fucking dead already wasting my ult.
If anyone wants a TL:DR of this thread.
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If anyone wants a TL:DR of this thread.
From my perspective the game fucking hates me and wants me to lose.
Well, this thread isn't for people who dislike reading that's for sure. If I can spend 5 minutes typing it you can spend 2 minutes reading it. Or is your attention span too low?
hows this guys threads always get so many replies whenever i make a thread mods delete it and ban me
I AM ON THE FUCKING FLOOR LAUGHING MY ASS OFF
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OP, how can you explain this?
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Haters gonna hate
Wow you carried a 3k game. Im so impressed. You could be in TI on chessies team
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im not sure if worth to comment anymore in this thread because of a huge number of retards here comenting here with pointles arguments and repeating each others thats why i didnt read all of them. but as i see this thread was more active after my comment, so i think i own a last reply to all those those pro players that they say they are 5k or more and they think its ez to win in los mmr brackets and their most stronger argument is ' COMME 1 VS1'. ahahhahahahhahahahhhha, so fucking ironic they show themself they are some fucking noob kids that knows shit about dota, and thats the best argument that proves mmr its not = player skills. listen kid wtf you saying jsut listen yourself and think with your brain before writing nonsens here, 1 vs 1 its only a factor that determines how good a player is , is jsut 1 fucking factor , 1 from a lot others more improtant , like teamplay and strategy and tactics you liitle fuck, and gues why ? cause is a fucking strategy game based on teeam play and not based 1 vs1 skill you dumbfucks. think about football you litle kids if yo uever saw football in your life playing dota 1vs1 is jsut same as playing football 1 vs1,. im not saying that this means nothing but i t means not to much its max 10% of all factord that determine how good a player is . IF ANYONE ELSE WANT TO REPLY HERE, PLS DONT SPAM IN THIS THREAD IF YOUR NOT A DOTA 1 PLAYER, I DONT CARE HOW YOUR MMR IS OR HOW GOOD YOU THINK YOU ARE. IM 100% YOU NEED AT LEAST 4-5 MORE YEARS OF DOTA TO BE AT MY LEVEL.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2484534058
"High skill game" Team can't even get 200 gpm. How is it not rigged?
"high skill" isn't actually high skill and "very high skill" isn't actually very high skill dota
Thanks to those brackets we just see if there is someone below 3k or above 3.7k
because you get claymore on PA for BF (or lothar??) after dominator, basher and bkb
so, ye, you deserve it.
And when it comes to normal matchmaking vhs or hs just don't mean a shit.
Just stop creating smurfs if you don't even calibrate them for ranked.
So why can't they change the definition of high skill to actually mean high skill?
this is the best thread ever
OP is the definition of dunning kruger effect
here are many 6-7k players that would like to 1v1 you, so can you please do that so you will just accept that you're shit
i climbed from 2k to 4k and i can admit that i would get rekt even in 5k average and the matchmaking is working just fine. any 3k can carry in 1k, any 7k can carry in 5k and so on
There are - 7k players here to 1v1 me. IDK wtf you are smoking. and i already gave my reason for not 1v1ing, first of all I don't play mid. second of all 1v1 has nothing to do with actual dota.
I also said if there is a 7k player that wants to 1v1 i would be down. I never dodged anyone but im not paying anyone money for a 1v1.
Also they have to be in USW or it will lag
and again you dodge the whole message by sticking on one little meaningless typing mistake
jesus fucking christ
ps we all are not native english speakers on the internet
1v1 hasnt got much to do with dota but the difference between mechanical skill in 3k and 7k is just massive and that only is a significant way to measure skill in dota 2
i rly doubt that you climbd, but even if you climbed its not that you carried those games jsut your enemy was moree shit than you and they lsot the game , and your 1 of the lucky ones that were more times in the right side and not i nthe wrong side. about your argument explaing me how a 3k player can carry a game were in his team are already 4 carries feeding the enemy and by accident the enemy team not suck that much in thier pick at least not as muc ha your team, or even worst the have the decent pick and they feeded.for you cant carry that cause miralce or artezy also cant carry that gues what cause is fucking imposible, thats why reading your argument im 99% that you didnt climbed, or even if you climbed you were superlucky. and jsut to reinforce my argument vs yours if it was that the best player in game can carry even if his team suck, than ARGENTINA would won always world cup cause of mesi,. think about it the logic its the same as dota if yo uhave at least basic knowledge about dota adn your not a 100% accidental player. MY DUMB FRIEND VALTZU.
^what the fuck are you trying to say? i didn't even realize you were talking to me until i read the last sentence of your message.
you're just a fucking normal skill smurf just like OP who has played 131 games in ranked matchmaking with an astonishing win rate of 39.69 %.
you know I, along with many others I believe, have made smurfs 'cos I thought I'd deserve a higher mmr and my teammates always hold me back. but i never got significantly higher mmr by smurfing, and if I managed to gain a little, I dropped back very fast. sometimes you just need to accept that you're shit in order to improve. it's not about getting lucky as you said. luck applies on short term and improvement in the long run.
ps i never said i was good at dota 2
If you don't think you are good at dota 2 you have no opinion in this post. If you are trash you lack the abillity to understand the concepts I am theorizing. Nothing wrong with being bad at dota 2, but don't come onto a forum talking about balance/rigging if you know that you suck. How can you even have an opinion.
LOL. completely dodged the argument of mine , just foccusing in this acc, cause you thought you found something to counter my argyment with another thing. dude i've explained about this acc about 2 days ago in my first coment this is 1 of my smurf at the dasy that istarted to smurf , andi quickly quited again cause think that is not worth. so i 've played only the first games in this acc and after calibrating gave this a friend of mine that is new to dota. so kid if you wanna reply me dont write same shit that you and yout 'friends ' writed before and stop repeating your self. ' your jsut a normal skil player', with that your showing that you should not been commenting her at al cause this is waht we are talking about here you dumb fuck super fat kid probably. nrm skill hs vhs mmr, its a lot determined by luck, and all those that have high have only 1 argument m we are high cause we are good. yo uare good my ass if your good prove to me than answer my comment and dont doge it. your not talking to somone that started dota nowdays i play dota for 7-8 years before, and im prety sure that mostly of 4-5 k players may be know and about dota now, as much asi used to know about 5 years ago sincein dota 1.
but how come it's always the normal skill players here telling that the game/matchmaking is rigged? i have not seen a single 6k+ player saying mmr system is flawed in some way cos they have achieved that mmr cos they deserve it. they perform well in the long run and whoever claims it's because they're "lucky" or some other shit is just simply retarded cos they have thousands of games so that said luck cant be used as an explanation.
i do admit that i suck and and i also have an opinion on the topic which i expressed very clearly. if you have 3k mmr, you are 3k mmr. if you are in 3k mmr and you are really a 7k player you will get that 7k in no time. there is nothing wrong in matchmaking, it accordingly grants you mmr based on your performance. it is almost impossible to abuse the game in order to get higher mmr than you deserve.
edit:smoking kills i could have answered your argument but unfortunately i can't get your message cos you express yourself like a retard. maybe try to be a bit clearer on what you're trying to say. and btw "i gave this acc to my friend" argument is just as valid as i claimed to be Donald Trump when we're talking on the internet
yeah bro im prety sure if you haveno knolewdge to explain and to analise how a game is lost or won that, you have no idea about dota wahtever your mmr is. and im prety sure these guys are some fucking arrogant/ignorand dota players that they think every game they loose or win its cause of them and dont understand thati nteam play the max they can do is 20% even dendi itself had admited this, and if those guys have a min of logic which a human being is supposed to have, must know that the rest that is 80% is not in their hands but it's luck and many factors that acomplishe that 80% that is not in your hands and you cant do nothing about it.
omfg im rly quiting with this thread. its so fucking horrible reading those coments, i cant imagine how this guys comme here to discuse about mmr and about player skill and have 1 and only argument ' ig you have 3k than your a a 3k mmr player' HOLY SHIT . whats the point to debate here if you have only the argument, which is not a argmunet in fact, cause this is the problem about we are talking if this is true or not, and they jsut keep spaming ' a 7k player desrve to be a 7 k' or ' if yo uhave 2k mmr than your an 2k player'. holy shit what we are disccusing here its much deeper in that and its not for low iq people pls, even if your a 8k player of a pro player, dont comment here if thats all yo ucan say and the only argument that you have and you have no proves at all even to defend that 1 and only argument you have for fuck sake stop this madnes pls.
i have not seen a single 6k+ player saying mmr system is flawed in some way cos they have achieved that mmr cos they deserve it
Because they think they deserve it. Durrr, willfully ignorant.
i really don't know how can you get so mad. In my opinion it's normal to have different points of views in conversations and for people to contribute their own. What is the point on debating if everyone just blindly agrees to accept one conclusion like all of you who think matchmaking is rigged? You try to convince everyone to think so when there is simply just no evidence of such thing, just your own imaginary and conspiracy theories. There is evidence that the best players in the world who have high MMR also play in LAN tournaments and make a living out of that while ya'll be still whining that you deserve higher MMR. Well shit, can you just answer me the question: why are you still Normal Skill if you deserve to be a 7K player? And let's try another one just to give some more perspective: would you rather take business-related advice from a person that has won in the lottery rather than from a person who has worked his ass off in order to earn all his wealth? I think the answer is pretty clear right here...
Edit: "Because they think they deserve it. Durrr, willfully ignorant."
Explains how much you know about the MMR-system. Maximum calibration you can get is somewhere around 4,8K. So basically if there is a 6K player it means he has to carry his team all the way from 5K to 6K MMR. So can you honestly say they just think they deserve it? Have you ever thought that maybe they earned it?
i know waht you mean bro and im maybe the only one hre that understand waht you saying and thats cause of my big experience in dota . and cause of my exp i've seen almost everything and all scenarios about matchmaking and dota 2 players. i have friends that the have about 3k and they have no idea at all about dota man, if it was for them they would loose everysingle game with the way they play its rly fucking horrible , i've seen them building echo sabre on invo , and much more biger mistakes and have 0 strategy and 0 ideas of how game works, and cause of my exp i've played also with some 1k players andi was shocked when many of them were much better than those with 3k i mean the difference was huuuuuuuuge.
pls ban or delte this valtzy comments he keeps saying same think in other words, im sure he is a retard kid or a drunken one m he repeats the same mistake over and over again in hsi coments i cant take anymore
I don't keep saying the same shit all over again. You just keep neglecting everything else in my messages and keep discussing only one of my argument while on the other hand your arguments consist of calling me a retard, fat, a kid, drunken and the list goes on. You are not capable of discussing the thing here, just going for personal insults as a way to get your shit through. And to mention, none of those insults apply on me and lack evidence just like your arguments on the MMR-topic as well.
Show me some next level plays and I will explain why they are nothing out of the ordinary. Show me whats so next level in these 7k games.
What y'all having for dinner?
i bought good teams from GabeN 4Head
"Show me some next level plays and I will explain why they are nothing out of the ordinary. Show me whats so next level in these 7k games."
Just watch any Miracle replays, for example Ember Spirit gameplay to begin with. Of course anyone can explain, but the thing here is, could you pull out the same shit even in 3K average MMR? I doubt it.
ROFL I just read some comments this is the best shit I've seen in a while LMAO
Typical dota 2 players mindset
"I will never be pro so I am just gonna play for fun and collect skins. I know I suck at the game cause MIRACLE! Have you see miracle when he presses Q he does it so much better than me. His situational awareness is so high, like every time he sees a tower that he can defend he TP in, every time he gets massive freefarm he wins the game cause hes so much better than me. If you put miracle with a team of 2ks he would carry them to victory every time because his awareness is so fucking next level."
Miracle would beat you 10/10 times. So would I and every other 6k+ mid player. Is that rigged as well?
Miracle would win 95% of 2k average games he played in because no one else in the game would be able to match him in skill. We're talking about the player who went through most of the manila major main event without a death.
I hope for OP's sake that he is trolling, but I have this feeling he doesn't. Anyone who makes such a effort in spreading bullshit on a computer game forum, must have some serious issues.
My condolences OP, I hope you one day will become a mentally healthy individual.
Ok so you wanna play 10 games YWN?
"Miracle would win 95% of 2k average games he played in because no one else in the game would be able to match him in skill. We're talking about the player who went through most of the manila major main event without a death." also a safelane carry player who had support.
you put miracle with 2k supports on his team against a bunch of 4.5k-5k players he will lose every time
I'll play 10 games against you!!!
technically miracle has to carry lower mmr players. since he has such high mmr. but the game wouldn't put him with 2k players against 5k players. because the math is wrong.
^ And seemingly, the "math is wrong" in every fcking game that I play for some reason. Just like the math is wrong to have 5 carries on one team. Just like the math is wrong for my team to farm my exp and creeps with their spells destroying my stats, blending my in with any other shitstain in the game. Just like the math is wrong to have an MMR that doesn't reset frequently.