General DiscussionInvoker got REKT

A .XXd patch, is this war3 dota all over again? :D

report icefrog for nerf invoker.

Wow chen got nutsacked.

good. fuck those two heroes.

Artour still recking kids with Voker.

Still good

Yeah, that's not much of a Chen nerf. Aether lens recipe should be a little more when they replace it for the cloak though. It's pretty op on some heroes even without the magic res (which just made it ridiculous).

i hope that people will stop rushing lens on every support, thanks bluetoad

well i dont think invoker got nerf 6 agility reduce mean he didnt lost 1 armor so he just lost some attack speed
defending blast mana cost to 300 is not a big deal since u dont need to use defending blast early game most of times i just farm and push till i get eul + blink + travel and if u think u need mana u can get arcane boot then change it to point booster and then get octarine Core
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but god damn u frog u should have nerf od 4 sec disable is too much yesterday i just catch an od with 50 hp then i lost him in fog of war of high ground and when i got to high ground i saw he prison himself when he came out he had full hp and rekt me turns out he had regen bottle feels so bad :|\\

6.87: all previous buffs to Invoker will be reverted i'll guarantee it

Not

wow, he wasn't even meta for that long, and people are sick of him? I mean, he's 10x more better to have as meta, than Storm, at least Invoker takes some type of skill, I guess everyone just wants PA meta's, Bloodseeker pub meta, Queen meta's, aka heroes that don't require much thought process or APM.

hes still strong lol.

For sure

I'm not sick of him
Just 1k plebs hate him for being in meta instead of PA/Ursa meta

Seriously though fuck chen, and invoker, and LD any nerfs those heroes get are well deserved.

Chen gets public hate, what a time to be alive.

No hero picks can really stop shit like this http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2090899133

I feel chen agha nerf was a bit harsh though...

Invoker is still strong though....a slight nerf to his summoned spirit would be nice instead of mana cost increase on deafening blast...those spirits are quite pesky and the minus armor is damn annoying.

they already nerfed invoker, great. the fuck they need to nerf him so fast, now buff again shit right click heroes.

That was 1 brutal line-up......I stared at the all hero page on dotabuff for a while, and I could not think of any legit counter....

@Havoc...let me try....

furion (nc)
DS (off)
SF (mid)
WD (support)
Luna/(Gyro/TA/Tiny) (safe)

DS/SF/WD/Luna should have enough fire power to def while furion rat...

I like how some people say that a hero should be OP because he "takes skill" xD Invoker, Chen and other "difficult" heroes are only difficult in terms of mechanics and learning curve, after 50 games it makes no difference, and hero understanding >>> mechanics - hero spammers are good on heroes because they have a lot of exp with the hero and know what they are doing not because they know which order of multi-colored balls creates which spell.

^ So if I try hard any hero I can be good with it but not good at the game ? No troll here, it's a real question. If i pick ... nature prophet every game for like 2 months with 5 games by days. I'll be strong with him, but what if after that I pick alchemist ? Can I'll be better or back to noob ?

You just asked if the knowledge of a certain hero would affect your knowledge with any other hero... Did you even read your post?

But play with or against a certain hero you will learn anyway ?

Invoker is actually annoting as fuck if shit goes lategame, once you have 5 sec BKBs you have to focus that fucking shitstain because otherwise he'll disarm you, nuke you, slow you down, stun you repeatedly, make you fly up for a while, etc.

Considering what you put under being good at the game. If that's general game knowledge and great knowledge of a select few(up to a dozen) heroes, then certainly yes. If that's an ability to play of a wide array of heroes at least decently, no.

what does that nerf even do lolz

probably nerf on eul combo? idk tho but i always have to buy a few clarities through the game

aether lens nerf hit pudge the most

Invoker has too good of an early game right now, with early alacrity and such. Also..4 int/lvl...come oooon..wtf is this?

INVOKERS STILL OP BOYS tY FOr MMR OSfrog PogChamp Kreygasm

any nerf is a good nerf.

Anyone who buys Aether Lens on Pudge deverses to be fucking beheaded because it's the most retarded thing someone could ever do.

Aether Lens on Pudge is like lifting the toilet seat when you piss; only necessary for those who cannot aim.

^I'm sure this guy (http://www.dotabuff.com/players/6264787/matches?hero=pudge) sucks @ pudge

Aether Lens is a good pudge item. It increases your range for blink, ethereal blade, hook and ultimate, and it actually increases ulti's range by a huge percentage, allowing you to stand rather far back while blink - disabling someone you can't hook (with/against np/brood mother or there are a ton of lane creeps, or a low priority target is in the way).

No it isn't. It's overrated trash. Yes, that stats are nice, Pudge makes use of them all well. But the extra 200 range on hook is just the most overrated shit ever. Force Staff effectively gives your hook 600 extra range.

Since pudge is all about positioning, you get the best out of all of it if you get blink force and aether lens. Just because there are other good items to help you with it, doesn't mean you should ignore one that just makes your hero overall better for a low cost (except for it takes one slot, which you'll switch out for something else if it goes late).

Lol, I do suck with pudge.

Me too, but I know people who don't, and they get aether lens because it's good for the hero.

Aether Lens on SK is considered nice, but after Agh's and Blink seems kind of pointless. Guess it is all opinion.

Aghs burrowstrike range is just way too massive, you either rush aghs or go for an early blink, unlike pudge, you just don't have a good enough timing to fit it into your build and you really need the arcanes most games. The thing is, it increases pudge's hook/dismember range without endangering him, everything SK does requires him to get into your face pretty much (pudge does the opposite until he gets fat).

Though I really do wonder what pudge players think about the magic resist nerf on AE, it must hurt them.

For 2k, you can get Vlads, Blademail, Glimmer Cape or even Mek, all of which would be more useful for your team. Or you could have half your Aghs. And now it doesn't grant magic resist anymore either.

Well, I think Pudge is most dangerous up in your face at all times of the game. Ever wonder why you get this feeling of "Oh I'm fucked" when you see pudge ganking your lane with a haste rune?
My final opinion; aether lens is situational, not %100 necessary.

Funny thought:
Topic = voker gets REKT, we are discussing Pudge and Aether Lens

Yeah, but stats dont lie and stats say that when aether lens was introduced, Pudges winrate went up rapidly. Also I think the best thing about the item is the surprise effect it has on your enemies.

Or maybe, you know, the new Aghs is fucking OP and that's why his winrate went up?

4 seconds for a hook is pretty OP. Then if some pudge really wanted to mess around and got Octarine Core you are looking at a possibility of a hook every 3 seconds.