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General DiscussionJuggernaut, Lifestealer, PA, Troll. (Reddit xpost)

Juggernaut, Lifestealer, PA, Troll. (Reddit xpost) in General Discussion
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    (Divine 3, 5.2k mmr)

    Background : I’m a pos. 1 player and basically I’ve narrowed down those four heroes as the ones I plan to play exclusively this patch. Why? Because they’re top tier and I can play them. I would add MK, Ursa, or TB to that list but too bad I’m shit at them.

    Question : When is a specific hero better than the others? Can someone with experience enlighten me on the decision making process when it comes to picking these heroes? All I’m aware of atm is you want to play Troll against Ursa and PA, and that you want to play Lifestealer when you’re against a Strength offlaner. But that’s it.

    Bonus question : Battlefury. When the hell do you buy this item on PA, Troll, and Jugg? (“When you don’t have a Magnus” doesn’t count.)

    The Dotabuff high mmr guides are pretty unexpected - for one I’m noticing a pattern in which Battlefury is usually bought when the carry has <50 cs in 10 minutes. Also, in the case where Battlefury is bought their GPM is usually equal if not less than a non-Battlefury game.

    So is Battlefury a “I’ve lost my lane, so I need a BF to get back into the game” item? Because I thought you need actual fighting items to help your team out when you’re losing. Help me out here.

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      Lruce Bee

        Don’t think it’s just about fArm. It’s about late game and clearing wave in 1 Sec is quite nice.

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          I would like to comment but im not anywhere near divine

          ILikeGumball

            For pa, I think it's better for pa to dominate his midgame by buying desolator instead buying bf. The only time pa didn't buy desolator is when there is no squishy support and enemy can easily kill you, so bf is maybe a better choice. Maybe when pa blur was still passive instead active, bf ratting is a way of playing. Also pa have cleave talent

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            Murranji

              Lol. PA dominates the mid game with either battlefury or deso, except with deso you fall behind on farm. Never done well with her when I've gone deso first and always done well when I've gone battlefury first. By the time you have a deso they'll usually have a manta or whatever and then you're screwed because in fights you won't know which is the real hero.

              Plus with her new talents you now have to give up lifesteal if you want cleave and PA doesn't really have lifesteal in her core item build now at least until late game satanic - has been that way ever since helm of the dominator got changed cause it used to give good damage/armour/lifesteal/free creep and then build into satanic and now you'd have to side track into a 1100 gold mask of death which doesn't really provide much in the mid game and slows down her battlefury/deso/bkb.

              No idea about juggernaut troll or lifestealer item builds.

              Eressë

                Always go battlefury if you dont have vlads+deso at 15 min