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General Discussion1k games are harder than 3k.

1k games are harder than 3k. in General Discussion
'96 Neve Campbell

    I mean if you were 3k you'd win every match out of 1k in 3 weeks, i don't see a point of convincing some random strangers on the internet
    Im not trying to convince people I am a great player or whatever. I am trying to suggest that there needs to be a change in how mmr works so people dont get stuck below where they should be. Imo mmr should be based around a smart system that measures how well u perform in a match. Take for instances the games ive lost with 3 k/d or whatever. Dont you think its unfair i would lose the same mmr as the 1k who fed 0-15 with 12apm? Or the support who bought 2 wards in a game?

    Akai赤井`(mode-fp mid)

      "Except I wasnt? The majority of my party games in my climbing days were duo queue with a friend who is currently an Archon"

      Who cares? Doesn't mean jackshit if you can't fucking win games in 1k mmr.

      "I would take pos 1 safe lane and he would take pos 2 mid and we climbed fast from 1 to 3k"

      For sure, but that's not the same as playing pos 1/2 in solo ranked, because, apprently, you CANT get out of 1k mmr.

      "your account is not impressive its relatively basic meepo spam with a similar cross-board winrate to mine in low mmr""

      It's not impressive for sure, but it's 100% not simular to yours. My smurf currently sits at 2.8k mmr and that's, for sure, once again, an insult for 2.8k MMR players(comparing their MMR to your sub 1k MMR) - meaning that you would have a lot lower winrate than me if you would play in 2.8k (because u are not 2k to being with)

      "Also as I said earlier I carry just fine in my unranked games vs. 3-4ks."

      I'm gonna have to ask you to scrool a bit up and check the fresh-new meme I just made for you. :) That'll cover up this.

      "Since you clearly like to dig around for info on my profile"

      Of course I do, this is why Internet is so fun. I enjoy talking to deluisonal people, because I was one of them few years back. It doesn't just reflect Dota 2 , it pretty much reflects your life in general. I only pray to the god that I don't meet woman like you in my life. The worst kinda is the DELUSIONAL kind. God help us with your kind!

      "just awknowledge the fact that I am clearly not a 1k since a 1k doesnt get 1000gpm from a lost alch mid lane instead of trying so hard to slander me."

      Alchemist is a hero that farms very fast. Nothing too hard, even for a player like you.

      play for fun

        maybe u should just drop ur acc to like 300mmr and then trade with someone's 3,5k account u trash, aint no other way u getting beyond 1k lmao

        '96 Neve Campbell

          @garry the carry - for someone who tries to be up their own ass with all these psychology terms you aint half biased in choosing what you show lol. Best only show the worst games ive played in weeks amirite. Best try super hard to be a prick and try as hard as possible to conduct a witch hunt instead of looking at any other figures...

          Akai赤井`(mode-fp mid)

            Tbh I'd gladly boost her to 2k just to show that she's wrong.. And it's fun to do such things. Playing in low mmr is super fun

            Fei†an™

              @ parmaviolets: I am not here to talk trash. Let me just share my experience in the three-digit MMR world where I encountered a Legend-caliber/smurfer for the first time in my life.

              https://www.dotabuff.com/players/400500578

              Here is the period where he was playing in my division
              https://www.dotabuff.com/players/400500578/matches?enhance=overview&page=20

              The game where I encountered him.
              https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3424497709

              I am sharing this so you can see the stats he is having in all the normal skills bracket he played. You can probably achieve this too if you will change your attitude towards this game since you already know how to play in the Legend ranks. I am no expert so I cannot give you a good advice. But you can take a look on how he plays, you can definitely learn something from it. Peace yo.

              SayingPleaseHelps

                Yes I would not flame. It is utterly pointless. It serves only to distract you from the game. If someone is toxic you mute them. If you are toxic you mute yourself. At no point is complaining in the allchat about anyone doing (or not doing) anything in the game productive. So don't do that. At no point is flaming your team conducive to victory. So don't do it.

                And once again, you have an excuse for everything. Enough 1v5 games, they don't listen to you, you're tilted. Well, there is your weakness - you are easy to wind up which fucks over whatever little piece of game knowledge you have. On top of that, everyone is on the equal footing there. There is no point in arguing - I provided your chat logs, they show your toxic attitude well enough. And they show clearly that winning the MMR games is not your sole priority while playing MMR games. So sorry, get used to 1k shitter.

                I can quite literally open any of your games and see the lack of skill in the stats.
                Sub 300 gpm Shadow Shaman in 62 mins game https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4098813789
                Drow + Sniper cores for your party vs a bback, weaver and skymag https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4099024499
                18 deaths on a Shaker https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4103986165
                305 building DMG as a Storm in a game where you can't fight https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4105658888
                Legit 1 KDA on mid WR with 116 building DMG https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4095381908

                And @garry the carry, have you actually read my post? Because MMR is not a measure of your skill. It is a fact. Skill is too complex for that metric. Can you tell anything about somebody's laning, or midgame decision making, or splitpush, or warding, or teamfight execution, or farming patterns, or buyback management, or ability to keep your team positive just by the MMR? Nope. What you can do, is gauge how good the person is at WINNING DOTA GAMES. Dat's all what MMR is good for. Party MMR is utterly pointless and solo MMR tells you at what rating will you reach the coveted 50% winrate (provided you do not improve).

                '96 Neve Campbell

                  I only pray to the god that I don't meet woman like you in my life.
                  Since you seem desperate to make this personal, an incel such as urself wont be meeting any women let alone one like me.

                  I can open literally any of your dota games and see the lack of skills in the stats
                  again you're focusing on the worst games ive played recently. All games which were played late at night and half heartedly at that!

                  AnŦaiN

                    Come on , do u really think 1k is harder than 3k ? Does ur instinct say that to u ? Go to local net cafe and let some 3k or 4k . play 5 , 10 matches on ur id . U will know once the results come . Cool right ?

                    Akai赤井`(mode-fp mid)

                      Since you seem desperate to make this personal, an incel such as urself wont be meeting any women let alone one like me.

                      Once again you managed to show just how stupid you are. Congrats.

                      @ SayingPleaseHelps

                      Yes I did. At least the part about MMR. I simply don't agree. You seem like a good guy so I will not argue any futher. Let's just say having a different opinion that's not THAT harmful is better than being delusional dunning krugger. :)

                      play for fun

                        bitch has probably an F behaviour score and couple that with the fact that shes utter dogshit teletubby and u get this shit LMAO

                        🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                          I mean you have 2 options,

                          1# somehow truly the system is unfair and the millions of players who have climbed out of 1k never existed

                          2# or you suck.

                          I don't understand your argument, your teammates don't buy wards and whatever - enemy is also 1k - they don't do any of that shit either.

                          The system doesn't give you 1ks and them 10ks

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                          Akai赤井`(mode-fp mid)

                            "@garry the carry - for someone who tries to be up their own ass with all these psychology terms you aint half biased in choosing what you show lol. Best only show the worst games ive played in weeks amirite. Best try super hard to be a prick and try as hard as possible to conduct a witch hunt instead of looking at any other figures..."

                            If you actually wondered at least once that you might be wrong, people would've been different from the start.

                            You didn't give us an option. You never coinsidered that you are THE problem, not others.

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                            SayingPleaseHelps

                              So what the fuck are you doing playing ranked MMR with anything less then full focus and then complaining about not climbing?
                              When you queue MMR it's supposed to be to test your peak DOTA performance. Wanna casual fun? Normal welcomes you. Wanna have casual fun faster? Turbo is there for you. Wanna climb MMR (as you stated in the OP)? Pull yourself together and focus when you play.

                              Here are some "good" games of yours:
                              7 deaths on AM after 16 min bfury, laughable item build https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4105706761
                              6th item hex on tinker, after eblade with no dagon, right on time to match undying's bkb https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4103569283
                              MoM+diffusal first items against that lineup https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4098997121
                              Drew mid against drow as Bloodseeker, no armor items outside of blademail vs drow, rightclick mirana and jugg, random nullifier, 12 fking deaths. https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4088811513

                              I can go all day, and i'm just some random 3k shitter, I can only spot so much.
                              This thread is pointless, your have the wrong attitude and will come up with excuses endlessly. You are not interested in gaining MMR, you are interestede in playing dotes like you are used to AND gaining MMR at the same time. Sorry, that's not how it works. The very MMR system is designed in such a way that it requires you to go out of your way to change your rating. You have to learn to become better, learn not just about certain things, but learn to use them consistently. To the point where you are not thinking about them. To the point where it becomes second nature.
                              For example in match https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4105658888 you used your bottle 89 times, and your power tread just 7 times. Granted, you got PT a bit later, but it won't change much. You may know about treads switching, but you sure as shit are not doing it. In the same game you got 305 tower dmg. You may know about splitpushing, but you sure aren't doing it. In the same game you built orchid, kaya and euls, leaving you a 1000 hp storm against blink WK, Rod of Atos Pudge and SB+double crit kunkka. You may know what items do, but you sure don't apply that knowledge. There was also a manta spectre there, but whatever. In the same game you got 37 LH at 10 mins vs a kunkka mid. You may know how to play melee matchups as storm but you sure are not using that knowledge. In the same game you had an LC on your team and never rotated to grab some early duels and put her on the right track to deal with spectre all game. Need I continue? In that very game, despite losing mid pretty hard you never shifted to grab some jungle camp inbetween waves. Also in the same game you posted this in the allchat
                              33:22 Storm Spirit [ALL] parmaviolets gg this kunkka crits everytime
                              33:31 Storm Spirit [ALL] parmaviolets braindead fucker
                              33:41 Storm Spirit [ALL] parmaviolets look kids another crit
                              35:26 Storm Spirit [ALL] parmaviolets ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
                              after losing mid hard to him and building zero HP.

                              Also in that very game you bought NOTHING as your starting items, because rushing naked bottle and getting it at 3:19 is so good.
                              Were you just having an off game, love? So off, that everything went wrong? or maybe, just maybe, you need to recognize that if pro player make mistakes, then you make mistakes orders of magnitude more frequently, and since you can't influence others, but can influence yourself, start working on it.

                              4 retards

                                i will carry or boost you in exchange for your female attention lmk

                                Suck my tiny curry dick

                                  You deserve to have shit teammates. If you can play dota half heartedly then so can your team. Stop bitching and play the game or suck a c0ck you wh0re.

                                  AnŦaiN

                                    hard to believe someone with 3k games can be stuck at 1k and is unable to carry 4 noobs against 5 trash players. Just hard to imagine

                                    SayingPleaseHelps

                                      @garry the carry, go watch some purge coaching slacks (when slacks was 5k mmr) and tell me that MMR is the accurate measure of skill. That was quite a spectacular display of 2k laning and item choices on a 5k mmr player. And yes, MMR does not care about your skill. If it did, it would take into account your farm to HD/BD ratio, teamfight participation/KDA ratio, and give no winning points to dedicated junglers.
                                      You talk about Dunning - Krueger a lot, so take it from someone who knows a little bit about statistics - MMR is a very utilitarian metric designed solely to balance matchmaking - and as such it only cares about your ability to WIN DOTA GAMES. You can do it through chat psychology for all it cares - if you are good at making opponents throw and keeping teammates motivated you can legit suck at everything else and still climb. Or you can metapick and climb that way. Guess picking troll+sniper made your skill grow...

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                                      🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                                        Sure slacks is a meme who has 0 mechanics

                                        But do you know what? Slacks compensates it all by ridiculously good teamfighting and teamplay

                                        There's rarely a player who can boost his entire team's morale and on top of that cooordinate them around in a teamfight.

                                        Slacks can make his team win the game for him, he earned his mmr.

                                        A lot of people think mmr has to be earned by how the pros do it, but look at me like 2 years ago when i hit 5k, i did it with jungle SK with 1 build.

                                        All that matters is that you destroy the enemy ancient, no matter what method - if you can't do that then you belong to your bracket.

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                                        Akai赤井`(mode-fp mid)

                                          Exactly my moint. Maybe slacks has bad mechanics for a 5k player - but even purge himself said that his other stuff are pretty damn good.

                                          For sure - execptions may be found but are just a few, and even with these execptions, it doesn't mean that Slacks is bad player.

                                          Only because he's worse compared to some other 5k mmr when it comes to pure mechanics, it doesn't mean that Dota is linear and that the progress in Dota is linear. It's for sure not, and because of that, many things are taken into coinsideration.

                                          Yet it doesn't mean that MMR isn't measurment of how good you are - it just means that how good you are doesn't represent just how bad you are when it comes, for example , to last-hitting or map awarness.

                                          Social factor, ability to be positive under preasure, ability to lead 4 strangers are also coinsidered SKILL, and not only in DOTA but in LIFE IN GENERAL.

                                          And not having THE dunning kruger is VERY important, the reason why I talk about it a lot is because that's the only reason why some people can't actually get out of 1k 2k 3k or 4K mmr.

                                          For example, even tho I often end up blaming my team-mates, I'm aware that it's because I'm sometimes very emotional and not being able to to control that ends up flaming someone. That STILL doesn't approve my behavior, but it's important to be aware of it - that way, you will have AT LEAST SOME CHANCE of fixing it.

                                          Basically the MMR is measurment of SKILL - but factors that are relevant to MMR are many - so basically it's kinda of complicated and actually very simplistic at the same time.

                                          ETd

                                            This is why medals are a load of bullshit, if they’re using both party and solo MMR in some weird computation. Keep them separate. Otherwise we get jackasses like OP, who go and say “look I am legend via party MMR, I am better than you clearly because this is essentially the same to my solo, so yes I am a 3K player” should have one medal for party, one for solo. Or alternatively, the multiplier for party MMR in computations for the medal should be a really small number, if the difference between party and solo is more than 1000 points. Ex solo MMR multiplier of 1, party MMR w difference of >1K MMR, 0.2 multiplier, 1K-500, 0.5 multiplier, etc

                                            IXXI

                                              This could be proven wrong immediately if the OP let someone else play on her account for 5-10 games.

                                              Akai赤井`(mode-fp mid)

                                                @ETDaWEsoMe

                                                Man I completely agree

                                                '96 Neve Campbell

                                                  A lot of this is all nit-picky to say the least. I get that item builds are important and I attempt to take them into account, albeit I fail sometimes. I am a poor storm spirit and its a hero I want to work on but there are valid points there. The kunkka did not play a 1k and I probably shouldnt have played that game at all since I was already tilted. Things like tread switching are largely irrelevent though. It might make the difference between an average player and a great player but in the end its going to have minimal impact on ur game compared to other mechanics.

                                                  Akai赤井`(mode-fp mid)

                                                    You see, that's an improvment towards the attidude I'm talking about.

                                                    The next step would be:

                                                    Nail down the list of heroes you can play and share it with us, so we can help you and tell you is it good or not for climbing the bracket you're in if we take into coinsideration you're, for example, maybe really a bit or a lot better than the bracket you're in.

                                                    Also, if you're tired, tilted, sad, upset, hungry,sleepy, not in a mood for Dota - just avoid playing solo ranked if you care about your MMR.

                                                    play for fun

                                                      excuses, excuses, why do u even try?

                                                      '96 Neve Campbell

                                                        Nail down the list of heroes you can play and share it with us, so we can help you and tell you is it good or not for climbing the bracket you're in if we take into coinsideration you're, for example, maybe really a bit or a lot better than the bracket you're in.
                                                        Truth be told, I am relatively new to solo mmr which is why I posted this thread because I am dumbfounded by how poor quality the games are. So far I have had the most luck with Alchemist and Clinkz. I quite like Tinker and Shadow Fiend as well. These are heros which I win mid with >80% of the time. Please ignore my games on Broodmother and Storm because those are heros I am trying to understand better not heros I am necessarily good at.

                                                        Yin

                                                          imo MMR is just a superficial number used for matchmaking. It's like motivation to keep playing more dota, so you can validate yourself with your number and badge. All it does is measure win and loss, nothing else.

                                                          The real problem with dota is not really calibration, but the toxic people, smurfs, and scripters. You are definitely toxic. Your chatlogs show that you think that you think you're skilled enough to judge everyone's play (except yourself, ofc). Calling GG after every bad play is not what I would call "nice and friendly". You say you flame because you're tilted and that your team is bad. Why don't you mute them? Report them? Or be mature and keep your insults to yourself? Everyone tilts once in a while (like me reading your pathetic excuses for being undercalibrated), but doing it every other match isn't okay. Every level of MMR is toxic in some way, so don't justify yourself by calling 1k a literal dumpster.

                                                          Everyone believes that the MMR system needs improvement, and valve have been trying to change it. Just because you think the MMR system needs to be 'smarter' doesn't make you special. Valve has been trying to improve it (although valve time makes it slow smh). Number registration was a step in the right direction. Medals replacing the raw number allows people to be less 'stressed' over MMR. Recalibration every 6 months gives people another chance to show that they are better (or worse) than before.

                                                          Developing a new way to evaluate MMR is tough, because there are many ways to cheat the system if the system gets more complicated. Supports may start spam-buying wards at the end of a match, or people might pick Alchemist for high GPM. Sure you can code the program more to check that people aren't unfairly gaining MMR, but there are so many of them. It takes work, and every match needs to get processed. It will be slow, people will complain that the old MMR system was better etc. Furthermore, if people start losing lots of MMR because of a few bad games, even more complaints will follow.

                                                          MMR isn't important. If this game isn't fun anymore, don't play dota. The community would be glad to get rid of toxic people like you.

                                                          SayingPleaseHelps

                                                            So in the end it turns out we are just speaking the same in different languages. Because what I'm saying is exactly the same, except i view MMR as a self-consistent model that approximates your "skill" via an iteration process based on the compound metric of you winning games. And the difference between "skill at the game" and "skill at winning the game" is pretty significant - second can include a lot of metagame stuff - picking meta heroes, communicating well, paying opposition off so they destroy items, queueing vs your own smurf on a fringe server+language combo, tilting someone in allchat (or by ganking the psychologically weak repeatedly), using a certain app to target ban enemies signature heroes and God (who may or may not be a metagaming infuencer on Dota matches) knows what else.

                                                            That does not mean though, that I consider MMR less legitimate or smth. Quite the opposite - it's the only thing that matters. Because it's actually useful, contrary to some vaguely defined skill. You see, the very use of the term "skill" produces threads like this, because poeple can not understand that there is no skill, there is only MMR. They "feel" like they have more skill than others at that MMR, because they notice others mistakes and fail to register the frequency of theirs. Nobody should care about your ingame "skill" if you can't transition it into wins because some shmuck metagamed you. The sooner people stop talking skill and start talking MMR directly, the faster the plague of "I'm stuck in ELO hell and deserve a MMR reset so I can blame the after-reset calibration system for falling back to the same rating"-spouting ignoramuses will lose their only "argument".

                                                            Akai赤井`(mode-fp mid)

                                                              @Parmaviolets

                                                              I'll you can add me here or on my main: https://steamcommunity.com/id/recklessl/

                                                              I'll try my best to help you out. As I've said, I don't mind someone being frustrated, I just think that you aren't aware of how many things are relevant in Dota - and one of them is for sure being able to understand that it's your fault.

                                                              Clinkz is quite good nowdays, I had quite good time with him both on my main and on my smurf. The issue is, some heroes can fuck him big time, so you have to be careful when you pick it.

                                                              Tinker is just no-no hero in my opinion. I've seen even boosters losing with him. Players 1000 times better than us.

                                                              I'd really sugest learning Meepo, Slark, SF and Clinkz. These 4 should be more than enough to boost you up to 3k MMR if you play them proprely.

                                                              When I say LEARN heroes, I don't mind mindlessly playing them, but actually learning them. Also, to learn them you need some directions and some help - if you want to be efficient.

                                                              So once again, you can add me and I'll help you out. Got some great learning sources such as:

                                                              Youtube, Reddit, some amazing players that also do lots of in-depth explaining when it comes to decison making, farming in general and lots more: Cookie, BSJ, Dota2Bowie and many more.

                                                              I can help you out, it's gonna be on you to actually dedicate and learn if you want to learn - or you can be happy lil fake Legend 2 for the rest of your life. Your choice

                                                              I'm out

                                                              Akai赤井`(mode-fp mid)

                                                                @ SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                Yeah, I agree. But just keep in mind that it's called competitive environment for a reason.

                                                                Where people compete - there's always going to be bad blood, frustration, arguing and following meta-trends.

                                                                So it's gonna be up to you to pick up your weapon of choice and battle against others.

                                                                Nothing wrong with it man.

                                                                SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                  @OP
                                                                  If you genuinely want to improve you need to focus on fixing a select few things, not broad actions. For example, Clinkz is extremely good at low MMR, because invisibility=invincibility and he has great building DMG. If you want to learn him start with bots, he has ridiculously bad BAT, so you will need to adjust to it. Then go to normal games and try to focus on splitpushing. Build deso as a first big item every time and always look for a lane to push. Never jungle or gank/fight, unless there is no lane that is safe to push. You will die a lot, but if you have a bit of capacity for learning it will teach you where the limits are for pushing real fast. Will also teach you to mute toxic shitters and hopefully mute self. And that's your road to 4k. Some ppl claim that even 6k fail to adress splitpush properly, but that must be wrong. After all, if there was such an easy way to climb, where are all these complaints coming from.

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                                                                  '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                    ^man I am willing to learn shit but this is patrionising. I know how to play Clinkz. I avoid fights, I take objectives, I watch for openings to rat, and most importantly I time my attacks in lane in order to last hit even with the shit BAT and projectile speed. Invisibility absolutely is not invincibility in low mmr. They go insane as soon as they pick anyone with invis. If anything they fixate on it.

                                                                    '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                      I'll you can add me here or on my main:
                                                                      done

                                                                      SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                        No you don't know how to play Clinkz. If you did, you would be at least 3k already doing the same shit every game. You have to accept that. Otherwise you won't climb. Go host a lobby and get 60/30 with clinkz at 10 mins. No items, yes skills. 5 times in a row. It may be tedious, but consistency is important. It needs to get burned into your brain, so that while you last hit and deny you have time to make other decisions. Then you go splitpush training. Do not watch for openings to rat, create them. Remember, all your teammates are unreliable at best. Force reactions -> move to where they left, rinse, repeat. Try staying as long as possible, push the boundaries. Don't be afraid to feed. Mute ppl who flame you for feeding if they don't accept the "training" explanation.

                                                                        "Invisibility is invincibility" was a joke. Although there is quite a bit of truth to it. For example, if you have a bkb you can use it to remove dust and become invincible. And the enemies sure as shit have no abyssal if they spent all gold on sentries dust and gems.

                                                                        Akai赤井`(mode-fp mid)

                                                                          Prmaviolets, accepted. Msg me anytime you need some help or some learning sources, I'd gladly share everything I know

                                                                          I'm quite sure everyone is capable of escaping 1k and 2k with a little bit of dedication. Not being narrow minded is really helpful, pretty much starting from the "I DONT KNOW ANYTHING" even if you know thing or two will be benefical for you.

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                                                                          `Scorpio'M

                                                                            You are very versatile and play a lot of different heroes I can see. How can one expect to win all of soloq games if you play kunkka, storm, earthshaker,alc here and there (your winrates are very low on the ones I've mentioned). How about muting the drunks and focusing more on yourself? Here a list of heroes you're clearly decent at: Silencer, Crystal Maiden, Venge, Wk, Mirana, Spectre, Shadow Fiend, Ogre Magi, Riki, Dark Willow, Veno and yet you're not playing as much of 'em as you should. Also you're very inconsistent, meaning you play the game and then there's a period of days where you don't. I mean I play dota on very low fps (which already hinders my performance as a player) and still managed to climb out of sub 1k. Lastly you're ought to stop tilting so much, it's exhausting.

                                                                            tryhard

                                                                              mmr represent your skill to win games in long run, more games you play more accurate it is. whats the point of all those pointles arguments so far ???? it doesnt matter at all if its about your mechanical skill ,or strategy or psychology or other shit like this. all that matter is the "end goal" . which is to win the fucking game of dota 2 .

                                                                              D. Igne Natura Renovatur ...

                                                                                >1k doesnt get 1000gpm from a lost alch mid lane

                                                                                I got that from alchemist JUNGLE (2 mins because ally PA just decided to claim every lasthit that could be easily mine). We lost the game literally at the last fight, I teleported to a bad lane instead of continuing to splitpush.

                                                                                D. Igne Natura Renovatur ...

                                                                                  "I can open literally any of your dota games and see the lack of skills in the stats
                                                                                  again you're focusing on the worst games ive played recently. All games which were played late at night and half heartedly at that!"

                                                                                  Every game like that is granted -25 MMR. If I have 55% winrate at normal conditions (quick maths - how many MMR per game is that?) and lose a game like this, I need to play 10 games to get the MMR back.

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                                                                                  D. Igne Natura Renovatur ...

                                                                                    @garry the carry your arguing has the same convincing chance as arguing in game chat, if the response isn't "what should I do" then no use trying.

                                                                                    Vandal

                                                                                      Give me your account. I will promise to have over 70% win rate by doing these things:
                                                                                      - Not go mid (gets too easy)
                                                                                      - have a really really bad Behavior score so I get the most toxic teammates ever
                                                                                      - first pick my hero
                                                                                      - Mute everyone and not say a single word to even attempt to get my team's motivation up. Hell I'd even talk shit before muting them.


                                                                                      That behavior score (I think commends were received after I started playing it)

                                                                                      And I wasn't even trying I was going for different builds every game. In all those games I was beyond Godlike at some point, while having the most cancerous laning partners (like a Magnus carry in my lane pushing lane and using spells to get last hits and feeding, a sniper feedig hard while competing last hits, Pudge and his party member sitting in trees for like 10 mins 100% failing hooks and leeching XP hard) and in some games we never had a single ward.

                                                                                      Oh and The DW was just fooling around and playing DW for the first time

                                                                                      And I'm just a casual 3k noob. Imagine what a 6k player can do

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                                                                                      Feachairu

                                                                                        @parma
                                                                                        bro,will you listen to us,or just keep going to argue about that
                                                                                        if you really headstrong about mmr system being unfair,then it's fine then.
                                                                                        we'll just do nothing,but just keep in mind if a good player,or miracle or 6k whatever plays your acc,that human will probably get a winstreak

                                                                                        gl,have a nice day and try to realize "wanting to improve" is really good

                                                                                        actually nvm what i just said,i only read the fisrt page only

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                                                                                        SirSwirll

                                                                                          https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4090460430 Im only 3.3k and I can play venge mid at 1.5k games, Won all my games unless I play Pudge. I calibrated my friends account at 1.9k which is only about 1.4k below me but its so easy, Just farm and win game. Not sure how you can consider 1k harder

                                                                                          juhn

                                                                                            what happened to this community . y i k e s

                                                                                            kuci

                                                                                              why do you believe improving mmr = playing core :thinking:

                                                                                              (muted) delulu is the solulu

                                                                                                Was looking at the thread and the number of cancerous replies on the thread which made it so hard to read .. so I guess I shd say something

                                                                                                Some tips:

                                                                                                Find your best heroes (2-3 for each role) and spam them. It’s basically comfort picking.

                                                                                                Acknowledge that you win some and you lose some. Dota can never be won all the time.

                                                                                                Stop playing after 2-3 straight losses
                                                                                                ( usually one is on tilt mode after a bad run)

                                                                                                When partying with others always ask what roles they play and state yours before they start finding a match.If u think ur versatile u can take the roles that no one wants to fill ( pos 5 supp for example)

                                                                                                And lastly if ur in SEA... usually if someone types in Tagalog just get out of the party unless u know how to communicate with Pinoys.

                                                                                                Steve Harrington

                                                                                                  I am exactly 3.5 k mmr so we must be equal skill according to you as youre saying youve skill set of 3-4k player, so why dont you lend me your account and i will show you how its done?

                                                                                                  SASA POPOVIC

                                                                                                    Hahahahaha sorry dude but you are textbook example of Dunning Kruger. You tried so hard and got stuck in 1k mmr, this happens to all of us, we all hit a wall at some point. I hit a wall at 5500 MMR no matter what i do i cant breach it, instead of crying i started working on it, i didn't touched Harold in 2 weeks because i think it wont help me at my grind, as you can see i have solid 50% winrate meaning i need to play better to climb out! On Harold im wiping 1ks with Meepo hero that i wouldn't dare to pick on my main i had 0 deaths!
                                                                                                    https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3931253487
                                                                                                    this is my main account
                                                                                                    https://www.dotabuff.com/players/61564697

                                                                                                    garry the carry is doing the same, thats Vertoxity smurf who is a 4k player, stuck same as me. But he ha no issues to stomp easy in lower bracket!
                                                                                                    https://www.dotabuff.com/players/172744662

                                                                                                    Since we are all climbing on our smurfs but you cant, logical conclusion would be that MMR system is working as intended you are just delusional and boosted, im sorry but thats true if Vertoxity or I would make a thread how we can't climb on our mains because of "shit teammates " people would rip us apart becasue truth is, and i will caps lock it, feel free to print it and stick it above your PC as a constant reminder:

                                                                                                    WHEN YOU REACH A POINT WHERE YOU NEED A HELP FROM YOU TEAM TO WIN A GAME, YOU ARE EXACTLY WHERE YOU BELONG! TO PROGRESS FURTHER YOU NEED TO GIT GUD!