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General Discussionlich will be the next big offlane

lich will be the next big offlane in General Discussion
zDonFrank

    i say it here first.

    Sia

      tnx

      dunce

        > Okay.

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          Kryptnyt

            I still don't get the orb of venom on ranged heroes thing.

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              ICH WILL

              zDonFrank

                @Kryptnyt oov will help keeping those supports who try to harass me.

                if they leave lane, the carry will suffer from the oov despite -3 dmg and minimal movement speed, there is some psychological effect making them move away to avoid more attacks from me. they will eventually suffer a lot of miss on lh.

                Dire Wolf

                  I thought lich kind of was a big offlane already. He plays offlane 40% of his games.

                  Obamacare

                    He's played as a dual off tho(in 1-2k at least ) and I think he means as solo off?

                    zDonFrank

                      solo off.

                      fast level [eat creep, midas]

                      lvl 15 talent -4s first skill cd
                      lvl 20 talent +150 dmg
                      lvl 25 free eye of skadi

                      evy

                        Lich's optimal lane has always been offlane tbh

                        🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                          says the guy who plays him in party, kkk.

                          CUTNPASTE

                            I've lost to solo offlane lich recently although I think it was just due to inexperienced supports. If you just play lane normally it fucks up your carry. You have to be proactive and dive the lich which should be fairly easy when he's low level as he pulls the wave under his tower. Unfortunately most support players aren't aware of this and try to play passive/pull or roam midlane then wonder why lich is level 9 and the carry is level 5.

                            Xignum

                              He cant escape ganks right?

                              Obamacare

                                ^he is however pretty hard to kill with even a point in ice armor(similar to skadi attack slow) and will be much higher level than the dual/trilane safe, so it's hard to kill him(think of his kind of like a timbersaw, a bully in lane and hard to kill)

                                cat1

                                  What does he provide with offlane. Will he have as big as an impact as centaur and ds. He does not farm fast either

                                  BSJ. LGD

                                    dive lich? he lvls faster than you and you cant touch him when he armors himself. only downside is he's ultimate realiant and lacks initiation

                                    🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                                      Dive lich at lvl 1-2 when he cant defend himself

                                      CUTNPASTE

                                        He lvls faster than you if you play passive and let him deny creeps for 5 minutes, not if you play aggressive at level 1-2 where he's a walking creep. Like I said many supports aren't used to playing in this style as most traditional offlaners have escapes/can go talon jungle at 1 but it is the most effective way to deal with lich solo offlane.

                                        cat1

                                          So its like the timbersaw right? Past lv 5 you cant touch him

                                          zDonFrank

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                                            zDonFrank

                                              BSJ. LGD

                                                you cant kill people with lvl 1 heroes unless lich player is dumb and doesnt block+deny his wave, but why would you want to continuously gank a low lvl lich? you dont even get gold aside from first blood. Also wtf can a lich even do mid game aside from ulting you when you try to push towers? just stack the hard camp then go jungle and dont give him a chance to ult you when you try to push.

                                                It is absolutely game losing if the 2 supports on your team is trying to shut down a lich the whole of 8 minutes rather than the enemy mid/carry or counter ganking.

                                                Also, there is no way the enemy can dive the tower and kill you early game with frost armor and trees. Its not uncommon that lich skills frost armor at lvl 2 if he's up against some cancer kill lane that uses CC and right clicks to kill people.