General Discussioninvoker: vyse or refresher?

hmm, really makes you think

I'd rather have schtye for its reliability,RO has too big of a fuck-up window

you want both eventually, scythe lets you combo a guy before he can bkb

eblade

Tango and boots of speed is better option,you can hardly win without them.

But you can win without Vyse and Reflesher.

So the clear answer is there.

@JDF8 yeah, but in this game invoker need it the other slots (linken, bkb, dagger, scepter) maybe he could replace boots for fighting but the thing is.. should he replace the vyse for refresher?

@Xignum true, but in a 94min game, u can have refresher and switch to vyse when need it.

@1IceTea useless answer as always..

Fuck no he should have both,don't you know Vyse can be reflesh also?
ano bkb too,in a super late game like this he shouldn't keep his blink and should get a Reflesher imo

This WK item are really tarding imo

@1IceTea Ty, much better.. but just in THIS 94min game, in normal game (30-40min) u cant always buy both, so what u buy first? whats better for you?

also, what should buy wk?

radiant truly lose bcuz meepo cant even move..

For injoker depending on play style,if you are a player that like to pick off go Vyse is better choice.
If you are more defensive player that only stick/team fight Reflesher is better choice (after agh,you need it for mana pool)

WK's AC is wrong,fucking mjo is even worst,he got no dmg item st all even he critical the dmg just a little and he aren't tank because of his build item like he don't know your team are dependent on alot of magic dmg.

A Skadi is better then AC+Mjo in this match,if he get a skadi,heart and butterfly (can replace with Helberd or Agh) your team sure lose

It depends on the situation
Vyse more disable
RO more damage

@1IceTea crit strike is relative, no dmg item, no realiable crit dmg.. i agree with u, also i'd tried both builds, and definitive the AC+MJO is bad idea.. FOR ME deso + heart is all the way better, even if he attack very slowly.. also mkb + satanic for long games..

@bws- double defeaning blast is a pain in the @$$ (disable) IMO

Skdi+heart HP will make caster cry,evation will make hitter cry.
Do you know how much attackspeed this 3 item give you?How much HP,DMG of these items give you?

skadi only 25 (not much), bfly 65 AS (reliable) i think.. the thing is that most of players ignore the fact that bfly is an AMAZING atk speed item, just bcuz gives agility instead of raw AS.. at my bracket, i've seen only one str hero building it..

hex octa better than refresher

get a refresher first and after you're done using it, sell it and buy your vyse. Remember to always teamfight near any one of the secret shops cuz if you dont you wont be able to buy your vyse.
#note: carry a void stone for your vyse.
also another note to remember, if your team starts fighting anywhere besides the two secret shop, leave em! they're all fucking dogshits. Good luck

^What a hardly-to-be conditions