General DiscussionSupport is more imba than carry with their talent tree(?)

NO SHIT.

Obviously the supports Talent Tree's are good, if the cores had amazing talent tree's even less people would pick support.

Sven has cleave and an ability that triples damage, of course his damage talent is weaker than a supports. Most of these talents are so supports can be more than just ward bitches after 40 minutes.

well , Yeah people more often pick supp because of this Since they buffed supporst alot and unfair. But in the opposite side they are going to be so many trolls too. They will just play support as carry or unorthodox gameplay, ofc this things rarely happened in 5-9 k above xD

Not true, 150 plus dmg on lich is fucking useless. And getting extra gpm is nice but its lvl 20 so it is kinda later into the game. Cast range on lich is nice but its not even half an aether lens. The rest r just whatever stats. Svens is bad too but imo thats a bad example, just look at lycans tree or visages tree or someshit. Even for sven the mana is a godsend, and attack speed and movement speed are very valuable on the hero

Even to prove ur point to an extent look at something like aa's tree or jakiros tree. Pretty good for support trees

The gpm can transition Lich into a hero that can start to pick up 4-5k items if his cores, for w/e reason, are too awful to end the game by that point I guess. Piecing together a utility Bloodthorn isn't that awful by that point I guess.

R.I.P carry :v

I see why you're complaining, looking at all your games, you never pick support

I like the gpm talent trees since it allows items like hex to be purchased by supports instead of just int cores like tinker and od.

I remember kunkka has the extra gpm talent tree?

Goodluck pos 4 early rapier XD

Nobody is talking about the time walk that is longer than the oldschool HC void time walk?

+ aether lens

Voids rest of tree is kinda bad tho. Lycans talents make me really hard and so does huskar.

Vengeful Spirit

Either u make her magic missile a pain in the ass or u can carry with her (600~ dmg with the right items rofl)

Ye 44% aura is dirty.

good god

anyway, this is a very specific example, sven's talents are like that so he does not get into the 'op as fuck' category while 120 gpm or 150 damage do less for lich than the miserable 40 damage does for sven (even if it is not amped by his ultimate)

It's a 56% damage aura with the talent actually

Thx volvo, wtf is that.

Not to mention if u have drow in ur team.

Like 700~ dmg?

Venge pos 5 with pos 1 damage, pos 2 space creating ability, pos 3 utility, and pos 4 initiation tool
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No shit i am a 700 mmr player dude

Sf can deal the same damage as vengeful spirit. 400+ damage with pike and deso. The +2 damage is godlike. Sf + vs + drow in 2-1-2 lineup where all the lane go well. Sven will melt in front of those 3

But sven will melt those 3 if he got a 3 man storm hammer into 3 man cleave
In normal skill anything can happen and work ahahah

Bws if that is a very very big if. If you going to say ns ill just say that either drow sf or vs will carry the team hard. But im talking about vhs scenario where those 3 will not get 3 man storm hammer. The range of storm hammer is 600 and sf + drow attack range is 750 so drow can easily kite sven if he dont have blink dagger. Keep in mind that 3 of these hero will buy pike and can push sven and you apart. Also this strat cant be block by bkb. Any more question SEATARD.bws

Unless axe appears with blademail huehuehue.

Now void is officially an offlaner.

I just tried those trio in lobby, with the proper items;

Sf got 800~ dmg (soul + venge + precision)

Drow has 700~ dmg, closing to 800 (marksmanship + venge)

VS has 700~ dmg (precision + venge)

Roflmao.

I admit i often played carries rather than supports saying that i had never played supports is kind of an insult for me yorkey ..im not complaining just wanted to hear what people think about this update.

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Seems like I need to make my sarcasms more obvious

But good points anyway

But you know with that trio line up is not that easy cuz they are paper heroes and lack of escape mechanism.

CK position 4 is viable now imo ,with that reality rift pierce bkb and aghanim upgrade kinda great.

FYI im just a 3.5K scrub that just wanted to improve my skills no bash please.

Anyone tried lich carry yet?

I don't think you've ever heard of a thing called a "screenshot"

lich is a mid anyway

CK viable support now, besides that i think all roles remain about the same.

if you pick lich and make a MoM you are not trying to win.

i dont think so i guess its just to keep in game supports after 30/40 th mins

tip : you can use print screen its not forbidden

Me? I usually log in with my phone, rarely with my laptop since i dont feel like opening my email over and over again,
and i've disabled the print screen on my laptop soo sry no screenshot

Don't build lich as a carry early on, because you're essentially useless until level 20. If you want to get the 150 damage and 30% right click slow talents, start with building items like force staff, dragon lance, and orchid. Get MoM when you reach level 20 and finish off with other late game carry int items like hurricane and bloodthorne.

For most of the early game, max sacrifice first and spam frost blast and sacrifice as much as possible on ranged creeps (siege if you really need the mana) whenever they're off cooldown.

its balanced dude.

Don't really think so, it's quite equal

Sven is far more likely to reach those levels than Lich is. Most support talents are slightly stronger than core's because they're likely to be behind on items and XP compared to cores and this helps even it out.

+ nc ss

But +65 dmg on sven is so much more useful than +150 dmg on lich as sven has cleave and is durable enough to actually hit the enemies.

Lol but lich as a support gets levels way faster than other supports. Anyway just play safelane cent now its rlly legit with return aura and just snowballing out of control.

I mean even with long games supports still struggle to hit level 25 from what i've seen so it's only natural they get slight better trees (i mean even lich 20 tree isnt great 120 gpm at level 20 would be pretty far into the game so even if you had it for 20 minutes til the game ended thats only 2400 gold)