General Discussionshadow fiend

his power was flesh farming with SR combo , now camps have magic resistance so he cant do that at all ( storm as well)
he is so weak Vs mid heros this patch ( invo zeus od ... )
so no , no one like to pick him

good for game ruining

You miss him already?

^well, do you think od/zeus are more interesting than sf?

actually haven't noticed him missing but now that you mentioned it, haven't seen him in weeks. Can't say I really care.

I feel like in pubs though he's still fine mid as long as you can land razes. Yeah he can't flash farm jungle like before but he still farms really well for pubs and does a ton of dmg.

like this, not a great example of a game overall, but late game sf was a bitch to bring down and dished a lot of dmg. http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2254836877

He basically has a free desolator on heroes built into his kit with that 72 dmg and -6 armor.

I'm not arguing that I'm just saying in 3k where no one farms like that he's still fine. A notch below the top tier mids but he's fine. No one's stacking jungle for you in 3k, so his flash farm was always limited unless youre amazing enough to stack yourself and still get the cs in lane.

SF no raze build rush deso medallion AC is how ppl should be playing him to beat these squishy int heroes. /s

^

everyone is sarcastic when recommending no raze builds but its legit af if you're allowed to farm without razes

Build Veil.

Shadow friendly man was a good hero previous patch but know he doesn't seems that strong compare to others

Veil eblade let the case out

@sam
i miss him since the first day after nerfhammer, i just really liked the hero
also it's nice how this thread almost got ruined by 2k army led by @Dire Wolf

^its a racist bud, rofl

^its a racist bud, rofl

I prefer see SF get picked in every game again than OD. flash farm is like the main part make him powerfull . he is squishy , cannot carry late game fall off pretty hard 45 minutes ish , have to practise razes, carefull positioning and some shit to be powerfull

BUT OD ? FUCKING JUST GO IN ACTIVE DRUMS RIGHT CLICK , OH AND OMNI FREE BKB , EZ RAMPAGE 25 Kills per match
fuck od no brain no skill to play at all not like SF when SF still powerfull

veil is such a good item right now, and its also good on sf

Guys can u pls not entice plebs to play sf again.