Ive seen two kinds of storm spirits in the 3-4.5k bracket. Those who pick him and stomp because they have his mechanics down to a T.
The other are those who randomed.
I hate randoming in ranked, such little benefit....
Because they want to? The "x hero is auto-loss" mentality is the worst shit in Dota. Also DP is very good.
jungling is almost autoloss in my experiesnce, but u can ask some better players i guess
I don't understand, why is a Chen jungle fine but LC or whatever isn't? Chens in general don't even gank or help the lanes either, they just farm. They even blame Enigma these days.
the higher the av mmr of the game is, the more legit jungling becoems. the problem is that ur experience is based on lowskilled players who dont know to jungle. and thats not sarcasm ,actually/
i had 5100 mmr solo if you wanna know and i still wanna kill myself when i have junglesr
why do u need fucking lc woods if you can have anice dual offlane that will rape safelane, or a good trilane that will give ez farm for ur carry
I've won 70% of my games against SF and only won 44% of games with an SF on my team in the past 3 months. The hero is done for and I don't see why the morons who i get queued with don't realise it yet. It's patch 6.86, you can't pick shitty flavour of the month heroes from 6.85 any more.
Yeah people bash me for jungling, but I get a 7 minute blink dagger when uninterrrupted, I tp support lanes and heal the shit of my mid to make him win the lane. I'd recon most times a second support that does nothing but sap exp is way more useless than a lc jungle that know what he's doing.
DP is fucking awful, who says she is good? I haven't lost to or won with a DP since patch. Same with storm.
And I think it might just be cus the top three mids, OD, SF and invoker, shit all over them, not necessarily cus they are bad heroes, but cus they can't hang with other mids. It's kind of unfortunate but that's the meta. Like even grouping my brother kept randoming shit and trying to take it mid like a shadow shaman mid, a pugna mid, I finally said listen fucker stop randoming and just pick sf or I'm quitting. He picks, sf, we win game. You just can't win mid right now with more than like 5 heroes unless you're just godly.
And when is the fucking invoker nerf coming? 50%+ pick rate in 5k, something like 55% win rate. It's like the only thing that makes me glad I'm not 5k.
Edit: Just saw those replies, SF is NOT done for by any means, still does a shit ton of dmg plus the armor aura. Just can't rebound in the jungle as well but you can still win mid easily.
i went huskar jungle and i lost in 4.4k average game please tell me jungle gurus what i did wrong
And so what if you lose mid? You can still win other two lanes. And some heroes go mid and still are simply not meant to win the lane, like DK or Zeus. But they are totally viable because they serve different purposes.
Dude, stop being so ignorant. Nobody said you can pick a jungler every game and get away with it. We simply said it's viable and not an auto-loss like so many people make it out to be.
how is this ignorance dude, get your words straight, and yes it is viable in 20% cases and its auto loss in 80%
Cus it's really hard to win as a safe lane carry when invoker has 4 levels on you and a 10 min blink or eul's and is like 5-0.
^ SF not a shit mid? I've have played like a dozen games with/against him recently and I haven't seen him snowball or win the late game no matter how well he does or doesn't do in the lane.
Success with a jungler is not about knowing how to jungle it's about knowing when you can GET AWAY WITH a jungler. In 95% of cases, a support pick would be better. The problem is, people don't know how to support properly and jungling requires less brainpower. Obviously you can't compare a support that only saps exp in lane to a jungler that gets a 7 minute blink. The fact that you would even make that comparison proves you have no idea how to play a support or why it's better, because otherwise you would realize that a second support can:
1. Zone out the enemy offlaner while the other support stacks and pulls
2. Gank mid or provide support to other lanes which ensures farm on your heroes while denying it to your enemies
3. Help buy wards and sentries which give you a much bigger advantage in teamfights and dictating engagements around the map
And overall give you a much stronger early game which is what decides games in your sub-4k trash brackets anyway.
Sticking to the mentality that junglers are good means you'll never reach real levels of competition where people know how to crush your subsequently weak lanes.
oh I forgot wr, just haven't seen her picked mid in a while. She is fine still.
And I am still seing sf's snowball. They just have a harder time making a comeback if they get ganked or lose the lane. But when winning they still do fine.
The problem with junglers is people always pick them at the worst fucking times like vs a safe lane Am or spectre, those guys free farm and you lose. It's fine if they have a strong, non farming safe lane like wraith king or jug and you just want to leech xp with your solo offlane. It's not fine when you don't punish their weak picks safe lane. So many games I'll be behind enemy carry and team will go wtf where's you farm? Well mid ganks and dual offlanes really hurt.
People should also aggro tri way more often than they do.
argument went from shit mids to shit junglers...pls change to shit cours now
theres nothing wrong with pickin heroes u r comfrotable with, and enjoy playin....whats the point of pickin other heroes if u cant pick those u like? its a game after all
how does dk win lane? Trade cs and push tower at 6? I don't really see how he can win vs most ranged mids, he can trade off but he can't kill anyone until 6 and even then they have to be out of position, and idk how well he can deny vs ranged mids. If you are maxing dragon's blood to mitigate dmg then your breath is weak, and vice versa, max breath you can mitigate enough dmg to sit there denying while being harassed. I am not doubting you just asking. I have seen some dks crush middle, but I never seem to do that good.
and btw to all the jungle gurus, if you go lets say legion woods, and you have a solo support and he gets killed lets say 3 times in first 10 minutes. what level of usefulness u think will legion provide to compensate for that solo support
Having chen is like protecting mid/safelane at thesame time...with 2 neuts with him chen is the most powerful hero at early stages
Even he fail at ganking he can still balance the economy and get mek for advantage teamfight
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I don't think I've seen storm spirit win a single game this patch, yet people still pick him. Same with death prophet. Anytime a mid's picked other than sf, invoker, od, viper and the occasional qop or ta, I pretty much prepare for a loss. Maybe that's not fair but that's how I see it, mid's get spanked all day, some shit you just can't play right now. I stopped picking sniper pretty much a few patches ago, you gotta adapt.