General DiscussionSo.. PHOENIX IS OP? (serious)

is that a normal skill game?
phx is only op cuz guys dont know the effects of spirits, icarus dive.. he is not standart meta, so its ez to exploit w phx. plus he has a panic button-ultimate. (I love it.) Same actually w Oracle. Mb you will enjoy Oracle as well.

its a rather decent offlane hero imo, but wouldnt call him OP

The meta is troll and sniper both of which will be the bane of your existence if you intend to spam phoenix against any decent player.

That Phoenix is so slow using his spells ...

phx is ez killable, just annoying and very gay.

Phoenix is good, but nowhere near OP.

Meta heroes are Sniper, Troll, Jugger all of which counter phoenix decently hard. Troll has ult, the other two usually build MoM.

Silencer is the single greatest counter to not just phoenix but a load of others. Most of your matchups are lower vs the right clickers and you haven't played that many games vs a silencer so I guess a lot of your success on phoenix comes from the bad picking lineups your opponents play.

is Lina in the meta, too?

yes, although shes not as popular as sf, troll, jugg and sniper.

used to be when he was dealing pure damage due to a bug, now he's not so op anymore

@havoc
+ Jugger has spin to remove the debuff and still attack the egg

I agree that jugger is as equally good as troll, also phoenix is squishy and troll will just ranged zone you out. Lina only has to cast a spell or two and your egg is done.

Lina is becoming more popular now as well.