I think this is totally unfair. They didn't do the same to EG, and all their reasoning was an "elbow injury". Era has fucking psychological problems and Valve is doing this? This is totally bad mannered.
Pretty unfair, a phychological problem is as bad as any physical problem, i dont see why EG can do this but Fnatic cant.
Not detailed information but it says he is having panic attacks and if he doesn't stop gaming for a while this might effect his entire adult life or something.
Probably phychological problems
"There was an unforeseen relapse in his health condition, and he would be accompanied by his girlfriend and her parents. When he finally arrived, he was not the Era that the team had come to know and love as a brother; he was not himself—he was vomiting every day from anxiety attacks for the short duration of his stay, which was less than a week. He later explained to us that panic attacks would arise every time he had to travel. His condition forced him to return home shortly after his arrival."
from what @dorkly said this guy is clearly sick and they should be allowed to replace him
explain the EG situation to me, they're not playing as full original roster in seattle or what ?
original roster that was invited to ti4 was fear, arteezy, universe, zai and ppd.
fear has an arm injury, so they subbed him with mason for some tournaments before ti4 and now valve are letting mason sub for ti4 too.
it may have to do with timing. Mason was recognized as a full member of the team and added to TI4 a month ago. since then they have gotten all the visas approved. Also, he was standing in for EG for months.
Don't really know, just spitballing here.
Also, as we have seen in the military and physical sports, psychological injuries are often harder to prove than physical ones. The fact that the injury is mental may be the cause, as Valve has replaced injured players in the past.
I think all teams should be allowed to have 6 (or maybe 7) man rosters. This would eliminate most of the substitution problems.
And Valve needs clear rules about subs.
@Kriemhild
Fear is now the couch. with his experience and the raw talent of the players i think they are pretty scary at TI4.
also mason was standin for EG for months seriously if fear wasnt fear i would probably forget about him. this is a different situation.
I think the argument would be that mason is pretty much a huge part of EG; when spectators think new EG they probably think mason, whereas Excalibur is not really a part of what people associate with Fnatic. People want to see the Fnatic team, not four of their team plus a standin.
That said, the whole point of not letting roster changes happen was to stop teams from kicking 'weaker' players before The International, and that's probably not the case here. It would be a shame if Fnatic didn't get to play because they're definitely a stronger team than the ones that got in the qualifiers in my opinion.
I'm sure as fans of Dota, this is just outrageous as to what Valve is doing to Fnatic and unjust. Couldn't we file like a petition of some sort? Or is Valve just blind to see that without us, they wouldn't have the prize pool of $10 million?
I would be quite dissappointed in Fnatic wasn't allowed to attend TI4.
Hope Valve gets its shit together.
Without "us"? The majority of the compendium sales this year are from the newly opened Chinese Dota 2 store.
In TI2, they replaced MUFC. In TI3, they booted LGD to the qualifiers.
Yet,
In TI2, Kuroky stood in for mouz with no consequences. In TI4, EG is going to have no consequences with roster change.
And if Valve listens to you people who only care about western teams, we would have Fnatic slipping through the rules as well.
He has some anxiety disorder and some stress related issues which can effect a person more than you think. If he doesn't take a break he can run the risk of having a break down or a stroke and I have seen these things happen before so he needs to watch it. I too would be saddened if Fnatic were out as they have always been extremely entertaining to watch.
actually its pretty simple if u spend whole day alone in a room year after year being not alone is going to trigger shitty feelings and fear of being physically injured by first random person
^
Maybe Valve will hire a new PR manager when Era starts having an attack in the box on stage and pukes on his keyboard mid match.
^The physical injuries is is the one you can "man up" esp that his condition is not actually that bad. He could easly play and preform at (at least) 90-95% of his normal self. The only diffrence is that his micro would not be that good due to a numbing/ichy feeling in the little finger and in rare cases the ring finger.
You cant just shake off a psychiatric disorder actually you never get rid of them. You can only wait untill the next relapse be it depression, alcoholism, dementia. And from the sounds of things he has some trouble at home seeing hes comming with his gf parents and and his own.
See since you live in Canada, I cant make a joke how Muricas health care system only works as long as you are healthy
Some1 do smth plz, start a petition or smth like that. I want to see my favourite team at TI4!
edit: If some1 could start an online petition on this site https://www.change.org/start-a-petition or any other similiar i would be very grateful. I would do it myself but my english is too far from being good...
Although I hope it doesn't come to this if Era has an attack on stage and vomits/has a breakdown on stage it will make valve look really bad, which personally I think they deserve for not recognising his illness and unsuitability to play
You can't compare EG's situation to this...
excalibur has played with Fnatic for some weeks, a random guy they found on leaderboard cause they needed a standin.
Mason has been playing with EG for a long time and he is an official member of EG, xcalibur is no official member of fnatic. That's Era.
^but still, it has nothing to do with "official members", it's purely down to the roster change. EG had Fear in heir original roster, and Fnatic had Era.
Given that the team were aware of his condition in the early parts of the year, as well as communicating with Valve since at least mid May, is it not even in valves mind that they accepted EG's roster change but not Fnatics
dd has a point, but other people do too. They should allow them to have a standin, especially in the situation like that. If they dont, they're fags (no intent to insult gay people). Fnatic is well respected team and should not be treated like they are atm.
^of course, dd's point is absolutely true in that mason has been playing with EG for a much longer time. However, I don't think that the length of time played has anything to do with how likely it is that a standin be allowed to rotate for a member of the team.
Given that the teams were only announced on April 29th, and Fnatic made valve aware mid may-time (from what I understand in the letter), this doesn't seem to be an unreasonable request from Fnatic.
I want Fnatic to play on TI. They're a really fun team to watch, so being a TI without them would be awful. However I'm sure things will work out.
I've not read a lot about this situation, but keep in mind we don't know exactly how these conversations has been between fnatic and Valve. Neither the rules Valve have for this.
I'd agree with letting EG play, and not fnatic. However I'd not like/respect/whatever it.
Be happy boys, Fnatic will surely be able to play. :-))))
I hope so, I love Fnatic as a team, and a TI without them wouldn't be the same for me, regardless of how far they go
At the same time, I feel as though people who blame EG for the situation are clearly ignorant, and hopefully something will come about which at least appears to be equal treatment :D
WoW!
FUCK FNATIC...
Now I am mad at pretty much everyone but Era.
God damnit.
From: Adrian Kryeziu [mailto:<removed>]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 7:19 AM
To: Icefrog; Erik Johnson
Subject: The Internation 4
Hello guys, as you both probably know already I am Era from Fnatic, the reason why I’m writing this mail to the two of you is due to very bothering situations. About 2 and a half weeks ago I was sent home from our Bootcamp in London due to anxiety issues, as I wasn’t able to see a doctor nor therapist there. I’ve now been home and I’ve seen both a doctor and a therapist. These anxiety attacks has occured before, either a day before or just when I’m about to fly out to a different country. It only got worse with the time, hence the reason why I wasn’t in Vegas aswell as this Summit. After two weeks at home without a PC and meetings with professionals regarding the issue, I’ve been told that my current state is very positive, and that I would be ready to play and participate in Dreamhack, ESL aswell as The International – however they also said that I should just stay home and relax for another week or so, meaning that I wouldn’t be able to travel back with the team to the bootcamp after Dreamhack.
With all this said, I had a skype coference with the team 2 days ago when they returned from LA. They said that they don’t trust my health state and think it would be a risky and bold move to take me to TI as I can’t go back to the bootcamp with them, therefore, they pretty much had me fired of the team (still contract signed) for the rest of the summer, as they think they can do “better” with a Standin. So, my question here is, are they allowed to do that? Espicially knowing that I CAN play at TI 4.
Best regards, Adrian
კომენტარის დასაწერად გაიარეთ ავტორიზაცია.
Has anyone had a chance to read http://www.ongamers.com/articles/fnatic-releases-statement-regarding-adrian-era-kryeziu-participation-at-ti4-in-jeopardy/1100-1802/ regarding Era's health?
Seems valve has been aware of the situation since at least when Fnatic were invited
Do you guys think it's unfair on era/Fnatic or do you think valve is justified?