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Hopeless

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    Jʌy Δshʙoʁnɘ

      Sick post~ I love stats.

      Added to guide~

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      Hopeless

        Earth spirit is interesting. His winrate fell considerable in VH games, but his winrate rose considerably between normal and VH. I think normal players became more skilled with him trying to replicate his 6.79 glory, and players with high winrates in VH with the Earth may have dropped from VH to lower brackets.

        Neme

          What happened to lycan, so he has this much wr, after patch. I know his lvl 4 wolvs got buffed, but what else?

          Hopeless

            Lycan:
            Wolves Fade Time decreased from 3 to 1.7
            Level 3 Lycan Wolves now have Invisibility
            Level 4 Lycan Wolves now have a passive ability that gives them 15 HP regen

            The increased fade time combined with huge regen seems to have given him a real edge. I would also guess that this is combined with multiple nerfs to other pushing heroes and items, making lycan a much stronger pusher in comparison.

            I have noted high ranked players using lycans wolves to follow opponents without attacking recently. A trick I was not aware of and is actually pretty cool.

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            FlipFlop

              NICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE POST !
              wow lycan number one. Addicted to lycan after this patch :3

              yeah concede was right, scouting with wolf using two wolves at the same time u have two sight on two enemies heroes which mean can make huge advantage in war.
              And also 15 regen hp is so damn good, u can do two neutrals at the same time, also with medal u can rs solo at minute 8 as long as u get medal vladmir and level 4 wolf.
              wolf doto best doto.

              Hopeless

                @flop

                how do you feel about still getting necrobook? Given the recent nerfs to the book, I have started to have reservations about necro 3, especially in the pro scene. I find that a team that is being pushed can use the necro 3 creeps being throw against them to their advantage. Killing those necro minions max level is 200 gold bounty each. 400g is a really large boost to a team that is turtling, and can help them initiate a comeback.

                FlipFlop

                  1.Feral impulse:Increases the damage and attack speed of Lycan and all units under his control.
                  RADIUS: 900
                  BONUS ATTACK SPEED: 15 / 20 / 25 / 30
                  BONUS DAMAGE: 15% / 20% / 25% / 30%

                  2.Howl :
                  Grants bonus damage to Lycan, all allied heroes and all units under their control.
                  DURATION: 12
                  HERO BONUS DAMAGE: 20 / 30 / 40 / 50
                  MINION BONUS DAMAGE: 5 / 10 / 15 / 20

                  with that two skills in lycan , I think making necrobook in early game is a must, My build usually Medal>vladmir>Smoke>roshan minute 8-10> Then necro 3>travel.
                  With necro 3 and travel what u need to do is saying to your team that they need to buy u some time (distraction) so u can push enemy base as soon as the war start.
                  So basically, u avoiding war and just do pushing which mean your necrobook cant get killed. Also dont forget killing one of the necrobooks give them 600 damage no matter they bkb or not (once again, 600 damage, and i think pure damage.)

                  As the opposite, if the enemy pushing your base. u can travel to their base (u can travel to your wolf) to buy time for your teammate (Usually one of your enemies will tele to defend ur base while the others still pushing).

                  So, the nerf in necrobook doent mean too much in lycan. In my opinion. It still item that u must built considering feral impulse and howl as a great skill to push.

                  Luxon

                    Lycan had 55.xx% win rate before 6.80
                    the most impactful patch was 6.79
                    Armor increased by 1 (Shapeshift icon.png Shapeshift total armor is still the same as before).
                    Base damage increased by 5.
                    Howl icon.png Howl bonus damage for non-hero units increased from 4/8/12/16 to 5/10/15/20.
                    Wolves magic resistance increased from 50% to 80%.

                    Luxon

                      and necro warrior 600 damage is pure therefore it doesn't go through bkb.

                      Winter

                        Lycan too OP, nerf plz.

                        FlipFlop

                          nerf invoker please, meet him everygame.

                          Born

                            pure dmg is still sort of magical dmg just not affected by magical resistance.

                            Satellizer

                              good old ti2 lycan
                              he was the real rat

                              but hey, omniknight above luna? what is this? Lightknight6969 doing work?

                              Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                ^What's so weird about that? BS, WK and even Riki are above Luna as well.

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                                Satellizer

                                  Idk, they buffed Omni or something?

                                  Hopeless

                                    I have always seen omni as an amazing hero with no where to go early game. He can't offlane, cant jungle farm effectively and cant support well in anything but a hyper defensive tri-lane.

                                    This isn't as much of an issue, even in high level pubs

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                                    FlipFlop

                                      nice quote ^
                                      amazing hero with no where to go. Muahahaha lolol

                                      Soultrap

                                        Only two heroes can "heal" buildings, and both in top15.

                                        Hopeless

                                          ^
                                          ok yea.. but who is going to get aghs on omniknight for buildings...

                                          whoji

                                            why riki got increase in winrate ?
                                            didn't a buff 6.79->6.80

                                            and lycan... strangely the huge nerf to necrobook made lycan even more op in 6.80 . guess NOT BUYING necrobook is BETTER. gold better spent on deso/bkb/ac/basher as the first big items (after vlad and boots)

                                            Hopeless

                                              riki's increase is probably due to the meta.

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                                              kkkkkkk

                                                fuck all lycan pickers