not sure, but I think that you can easily tower dive/camp because you will have your own creeps tanking tower and maybe you'll get a kill even if it's timbersaw or axe. dat midas CK and naix though.....
If you see no creeps in the suspected blocked lane, dive the tank and kill earthshaker quickly.
Diving won't be that easy because in normal bracket solo queue pubs mostly from what I have seen we have a solo carry like AM, alchem, void or DK top and someone in the jungle paying no attention to the lanes or a dual lane at most with a carry and a support ...
If you come to think about it an Ion shell completely destroys the strat and these hords of creeps just turn into free xp as they will just run around following you under the effect of ion shell and won't attack the tower but anyways it was something new for me and it got me by surprise.. Thanks for the feedback
in pro scene some team use this strategy too (tongfu) but they fail when ion shell kill all the creep.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-kct9v2HIA
Back in dota 1 you could block a lane with 5 veno wards and the bad thing was that even when the veno wards expire the creeps couldnt move forward due to their huge number blocking one another. I remember a game there were about 100 cs trapped in bot lane and enemy mort came around min 40 and farmed them all with cleaves gaining around 4000 gold!
@ Darkness
The creep mob is released around 3 mins in the game all the heroes that you mentioned will be useless because they will be underleveled and their nukes or aoe spells won't be powerful enough yet ... Not one of those heroes will help in stopping that huge wave
@ ㄨ' わㄙㄚ
Nice video Thanks for sharing
^ you can pull your own creeps and jungle. and especially the junglers work pretty well and if bat and tinker are mid. so they will have levels
^ yea saw that in the youtube link presented earlier but I still don't see any of the heroes you mentioned stopping the creep wave unless ofc you are imagining a lineup who consists more then one of those heroes and they are all presumed to tp in to defend the tower when the push comes up (a thing that will never happen in solo queue normal skill bracket pub) other than that a solo mid batrider will heavily damage the wave but do consider that the push will be assisted by a tank (axe or bristleback) along with earthshaker himself so you will end up giving some nice kills and losing tower on top of it...
The best and most efficient hero available for the job soo far is dark seer other thn that the lineup you represented won't work im sure except for batrider who takes mid and even thn it has a high rate of failure.
I've seen this in my games 5-6 times, everytime the creep blocking team lost.
As soon as you see first wave didn't come, you make sure you single pull wave 2.
Then with wave 2 + 3 going towards the enemy's tower, you can dive pass to eat the trees.
Don't dive pass to kill ES, it takes too long. Mid or other people will come and first blood you when you are that deep. Just take the tree out.
Then you have a melee support with a quelling blade and only clarities. As long as the MM isn't too bad and the teams are somewhat even, it's really hard for them not to lose the lane badly.
I've seen Tongfu do this in a pro game as well. It was ZSMJ on the ES, the enemy had a DS and the whole strat was screwed. The enemy didn't even notice he was doing this and did let him stack a lot of creeps. So many heroes with aoe can counter this strat, but even without those heroes you just need to cut a tree.
Cutting trees sounds pretty viable and 2nd best after DS's Ion shell... BH can get the job done even if the pushing itself doesn't go that well all you have to do is make an alternative path and the strat is screwed
this is the first time i saw someone using this strategy and won,
i was PL on safelane and my opponent used this strat,
idk how but it failed miserably,
can't DL replay too since it's expired
this is the match
http://dotabuff.com/matches/321330566
just saw the replay,
the laning phase itself is aweful,
CK solo bot, brood and visage top
visage didnt pull the creep to large creep
any hero that can cut down trees from a distance. windrunner, beastmaster, dark seer. or even heros that can buy a quelling blade and walk up close like broodmother with her pathing, etc.
you guys seem to forget that dota is a 5 man game..what if the other team have tps to help the radiant top lane abusing this strat ?
you are screwd lol
კომენტარის დასაწერად გაიარეთ ავტორიზაცია.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/404275912
During the whole match I was mostly like What the Hell Happened .... at early game I' am out having fun at mid when suddenly I saw a huge red circle moving towards our top tower in the mini map and suddenly our top tower went down ... it left me with no choice but to go and help resist the push otherwise we would have lost the next 2 as well I guess leaving free farm for SF at mid and it pretty much escalated when we lost mid while I was busy resisting that angry creep mob attacking top towers and this was further followed by losing bot resulting in us losing map control suddenly ... I still had hope that we could make it because we had late game potential and could probably do something if we defend until I get a scepter and start making big plays but our Broodmother was straight up newbie on the hero I wouldn't say noob because it was a random pick and the way he played I felt like he didn't even knew how to play that hero or that it can move through obstacles while under the web ... Anyways the main reason why we lost is because the ES did something very rare (i have never seen it before mostly because i don't search youtube for random dota 2 strats even tho this one was pretty good) and it got many of us by surprise and as it was a solo queue random pub game with little to no coordination the team just felt apart and some of the guys started making gg calls and decided to give it away...
I looked up the strat after that and I know how it works now but my question is that can you counter it in a really effective way ? because if you just decide to go in then there will an axe or bristle to defend and it might get ugly ... in case of a trilane lane you can just jump the tower with the creeps tanking and punish them ... but what can you do to prevent this if you are on your own in a random solo queue pub "normal skill bracket" where no one gives a damn about what is going on and just blame others for losing at the end of the game.
Note:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FO05ojjqj4
For those of you who want to get straight to the strat without going through the replay