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Blink on Pudge in General Discussion
Relentless

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCkFwNgk_jc

    Is there really any reason at this point to stop pudge from getting blink? There are so many ways to move heroes and trees and go over cliffs. Fountain hooks are gone...time for blink hooks?

    Jehzz

      Does pudge REALLY need any reason to rape pubs any more than he already does?

      sano

        ^ I actually see Pudge getting raped a lot more often than raping

        Yoshi

          i could do the same with rubick but its much more situational actually

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            Relentless

              I mean with blink I could blink-dismember then hook, instead of having to walk up to dismember. I think it would improve my success with Pudge a lot to get blink.

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              Vroksnak

                That doesnt work anymore, they changed the thing when you give others ur sentries, so u cant sell them and blablbal

                Relentless

                  Oh, well they can't put off techies forever...Bliink Techies ftw! WE COME IN PEACE!!

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                  CaptainTaichou

                    It would be great I mean it was only abused before because some idiot went on a cliff and started hooking people up with him, but now their are items like force staff to counter such a troll strat plus players are generally better today then they were at the time of the nerf.

                    Sōu ka

                      no it was mainly disabled because of the way hook worked in the original dota
                      if you moved after you hooked in dota your hook would curve and the place where your hook ends changes based on your movements after hooking
                      so if you could have blinked your hook wouldn't curve or anything like after force stuff it would be seriously fucked up and probably couldn't be coded anyway

                      CaptainTaichou

                        ^^ Why disable it for Vs as well then? However as you know that particular mechanic is not in dota 2 so I do not see why he still is not able to use it.

                        Sōu ka

                          because it's fucking history and also balance reasons
                          dota actually had -unstuck so you couldn't actually be trapped forever
                          they also added force which let's you people trap anyway so
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW-s7DyBJyU this is how it fucking worked, actually liked it a lot more back then
                          but anyway, everything that's keeping people from playing pudge is greatly appreciated by me
                          there's like 5 people per continent who can play it and even then it's questionable

                          HeLL_RAISeR

                            Chance that you will random pudge is ~ 5% on each try. So you finally random him, you sacrifice whole teams' 4265 gold and let everyone start without items for him to get blink. enemies get slark, qop , spirit breaker, slark or any of those. Team gets harassed to hell, no stats no regen. k you go one kill and get to grab ~ vengeful spirit in trees and get a kill. But this will do nothing. You literally give enemies 2000+ net worth advantage for this.
                            BTW, from 171 times blink was used on pudge he won 49.

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                            Safe Base

                              Force staff pushes a target 600 units, a blink dagger can move up to 1200 units. Blink can offer more precision as well.
                              Max level venge swap is 1200 units, hook is 1300 units.

                              This "buff" to venge and pudge may offer too much initiation range. Both of these skills affect magic immune units just like Bat's Lasso, and Bat's consistently had #1 ban rate in the pass months in the competitive scene. Of course there are other differences between these 3 heroes, I'm not suggesting allowing blink on venge/pudge instantly makes them top ban/pick.

                              Personally I think a blink + force staff pudge with a 11 second cool down hook, and an ult that is a bkb penetrating disable could change the current meta's ban/pick quite dramatically.

                              (edit: lasso is blocked by linken's, pudge hook is not).

                              This trick however doesn't have any practical uses even if it's not patched, 4 other random heroes + they all have no starting items just to get a blink...
                              Not only did the 171 times pudge with blink only have a 28% win rate, the XXXXX times people tried to do this but failed to random a pudge and ended with really horrible line ups isn't shown either.

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                              Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                There is actually not "many" ways of putting people on the cliff. But there is still no point banning it when he still can force staff on a cliff.