General DiscussionButterfly vs Assault Cuirass vs Heart vs Skadi

Ac is better for pushing and if u want the aura
Butterfly is better if u already have good armor cuz then the evasion is more value
Skadi gives a slow and Mana and is better offensively than heart unless ur ck
Idk just figure it out this shit gets complicated

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Every situation will be different, you can't have a blanket statement for which will be better.

Assault cuirass and butterfly have almost the same armour and damage reduction (taking evasion into consideration) vs physical damage heros vs magical damage heros u would want skadi beacaue the int stats give u magical reduction and stats are really good. But it totally depends on ur lineup.

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I'm just lazy to understand and do the calculations guys. I kind of wanted some numbers xD

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Skadi most ehp against physical thats not even a question lol. Assault or butter directly give you a whopping 0 ehp coz they dont give you any hp or str stats.....

They can increase your current ehp, yea, but we need context for that, what items you have before the butterfly etc.

If we being serious, butter/AC is very good if you already have raw HP, so the max ehp setup is going skadi into butter if youre an agi core against no mkbs/et, or else into ac.

However, if you are a str hero, you probably dont need a skadi to have raw hp, so straight ac is the item to go.

And INT heroes tend to prioritise Aghanims/OC/Bloostone over Skadi for the raw HP.

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are you serious about butter and AC not giving EHP

skadi is not a core item. nobody rush that. except medusa who gains alot due to her level 25 talent and gives mana and decent hp.

Butterfly is a core items for most of the agi heroes increase damage and attackspeed thus contributes to your EHP. AC is mainly for STR heroes, alche, sven, slardar, dk, ec though occassionally pick by some agi heroes like PA, SF to stack with their negative armor talents thus increasing EHP.

what better against physical? of course, AC.

the +ehp of a haert or any hp item are influenced by your current armor
the +ehp of an ac or any armor item are influenced by your current hp
evasion takes the current ehp, hp and armor, and puts a multiplyer on it. this one shines when you are tanky af already. more important - it forces enemy cores into an item choice they might be uncomfortable with and has amazing offensive components.
skadi gives about half the hp of haert, 1/3 of an ac's armor bonus and a bkb piercing slow

no way to tell if any is better in general. a hero with huge armor benefits more from hp, while a hero with high hp pool benefits more from armor. thats why ac is more likely being picked up by str cores, and why hot is so good on some agi cores. its 2275ehp on a 25armor hero. sounds amazing for morphling and tb, as long as theres no elder titan in your game.
the other way around, i buy ac on ck every game. he has 3k hp without haert. even a casual platemail increases his ehp by 2.1k

Heart gives the most HP and you can also regen insane amounts. I think it is the best item out of the others

thx for enlightening us

thinking heart is the best defensive option is so typical for sub 2k...
the lower the skill level, the higher the amount of deadali, shadowblades and haerts purchased

Some quick mafs:

Butterfly: https://imagebin.ca/v/3noK2KrHTRt4
Heart of Tarrasque: https://imagebin.ca/v/3noK8a0bWHBC
Eye of Skadi: https://imagebin.ca/v/3noKIZRvBwFe
Assault Cuirass: https://imagebin.ca/v/3noKNFoPj1o2

For reference, the 3 cells with bold and a triangle in the corner are stats for Level 25 heroes with no items:
Terrorblade, Zeus, and Centaur (he actually has 2.7k hp)

Generally Bfly is the biggest gain if you have more than 1.5k HP, though Heart massively exceeds it for lower HP, and evens out with higher Armor. Skadi is a bit of a mix between the two. Assault cuirass is really a team and offensive item, rather than an individual tanking item (it's just the same as a platemail).

ac is 15 armor, not 10 :)

I always stick to the idea I learned from my friend two years ago. Heart for heavy magical dmg opponents and skadi for heavy physical dmg opponents. For instance, when we are using a PL, a viper or a CK, this rule does help ;)

if i am not wrong butterfly gives about 5-6 armor

35/6
thats 5,83

When playing Ag heroes buy all 3 🤯

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Don't forget butterfly can be countered, so heart is clearly superior if you're just talking about Tanking up and ignoring move speed and damage. I Guess if you think heart is an item only bought by 2ks, then 2ks are probably the bracket that remembers that you get insane regen (free aegis).

Furthermore you protect not only against physical but magical as well.

As rightly pointed out, ac can be thought of as a more team oriented or offensive item. The Armour is alright.

(vs magical damage heros u would want skadi beacaue the int stats give u magical reduction)

Only for int heroes cz its a stat perk read the patch well Mr. Darth

skadi on int carries for magic resist is the new shit man.

i used to go skadi on qop as a final item even before extra magic resist.

Cant say if you're being sarcastic or not but there's always shivas or sheepstick better than skadi, also i can only think of qop building it and she can still make use of shivas or hex better

i would buy a hood on qop

or bkb

If you rush a butterfly or ac on a hero without a natural HP pool for the EHP you will waste 4k gold, just saying. Better buy a sange or some shit.

Im saying that the amount of ehp gained from ac and butter cannot be measured without knowing your other items. If you compare a naked butterfly with a naked skadi, skadi will win by a ridiculous margin.

butterfly is almost always the most ehp but it can be countered by mkb. That's why strength heroes usually get ac instead, cus the attack speed and raw armor is better than agility on them.