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General DiscussionSo prince knife gives you 60% projectile speed. What does that actual...

So prince knife gives you 60% projectile speed. What does that actually mean? in General Discussion
NineO_OSix

    So i got in an argument with my pubs today. The guy insisted that having that item will make him attack faster.
    I was like just cuz ur projectile is showing the animation faster doesnt mean anything. You are still shooting so and so shots per sec. He also refuse to give the item to one of the melee cores even though i think the item pretty good on a melee hero as well. First hit the person is hex and the melee hero is right there to pound away.

    I am pretty sure other than the fact you might kill something faster like someone running away with 1 hp and ur shot is on them. They might die .01 sec sooner than if you didnt have the item projectile speed literally does nothing. Unless it is early game and you are last hitting.

    Meganesta

      it may work the best when you use hero who got alot of AS WR, Clink etc

      A Wild Pikachu Has Appeared!

        item is overrated, sucks compared to other t4 items out there, could be useful vs a elusive emeny though

        aLeGrim

          It doesnt make a big difference for me.. you can farm the 5% faster or kill the enemies 5% faster but only in certain heroes like clinkz or sniper or arc warden..

          I dont know, for me is not a good item, only if you play ranged heroes gankers but there are many others much better items in t4

          Shoukyaku

            idek what the projectile speed does myself, i dont think its real attack speed, but i think it has its use on heroes with slow projectiles that do big right projectiles like od, in scenarios where u need to get ur projectile to connect before they use some sort of dodge or immunity to negate ur right clicks, if u know what i mean

            Lex

              Imo its good on Od and Huskar unless you have paladin sword dropped and thats it.

              Sir

                projectile speed is after you attack
                and after swing when you have attacked the "shot" aka projectile shoots 60% faster (in the air)
                So no it doesnt maek you attackspeed faster, but it can make your attack hit faster.

                you cannot start shooting before the last attack has ended,
                this has nothing to do with airprojectiles tho Since that attack is already Done.

                very often you gain attack damage, aka hits, from weird shit in dota.
                like movement speed. Swing, turnrate.

                You have to look at the target, make a swing attack, then the shot has to actually hit.
                which can be dodged by moving faster, using counters, using BKB eul blink, or blademail or ghost.

                Pojectile speed could in theory also work on spells. cant confirm tho.

                Sir

                  Oh and to be clear, The hex item is an hex item.
                  the 60 % shit matters 0.00000000000001%
                  and the hex item is one of the best items in dota.

                  2/3

                    Probably the greatest sniper t4 item out there

                    Pale Mannie

                      miranas attacks may arrive on time with that item

                      How to win?!?!!?!?

                        "SO PRINCE KNIFE GIVES YOU 60% PROJECTILE SPEED. WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY MEAN?"

                        Spells will go 60% faster. Now imagine IO's balls goes through that speed

                        bxtch

                          Spells will go 60% faster. Now imagine IO's balls goes through that speed

                          No they dont. It only effects attack projectiles. Dont spread stupid shit

                          NO FUN In DOTA

                            @Sir thank you for ur simple explaining it helped !

                            ๖ۣۜ Nihil༻⚡

                              Want to see fun Ballista rebalance: GIVES YOU 60% PROJECTILE SPEED, +250 AR, 50 KNOCKBACK AND 40 PURE DMG for each hit. Looks super fun (with IO and 25 talant also)

                              PiketteClairey

                                How many of you failed at basic highschool math?

                                Higher projectile speed literally means more dps due to reduced travel time.

                                Eg: I'm not Sniper/Gyro who have the fastest projectiles in game and I'm hitting QoP/AM insert hero with blink or escape and manage to shoot 5 times but they blink... So 2-3 of my damn attacks don't connect and I didn't kill the piece of garbage.

                                But wait... Lo & behold with prince's knife all 5 hits reach them and more than anything else there's a damn hex included with it.

                                Androgynous

                                  "Higher projectile speed literally means more dps due to reduced travel time."

                                  no it doesn't in majority of cases, which is the point of the OP's post. no one gets prince's knife for the projectile speed because it is irrelevant in almost all cases. they get it for the hex on attack.

                                  it only matters in this case because in your example the heroes you listed have ways to disjoint attacks. if you have 2 ODs with the same items, and one has a princes knife and one does not, hitting target dummies, they will have the same DPS, unless you only consider the first attack where the OD's without the prince's knife hasn't hit yet.

                                  if you are able to hit 5 attacks in the space it takes AM or QOP to complete blink animation maybe you should focus on locking them down instead of stacking moon shards.

                                  bxtch

                                    How many of you failed at basic highschool math?

                                    Higher projectile speed literally means more dps due to reduced travel time.

                                    I am playing a hero with 900 projectile speed (the most ordinary speed a ranged hero possesses) and I am attacking a hero which is 450 units away. Basic maths dictate that my attack projectiles take half a second to reach my target. I have a relatively normal mid/late carry attack speed of 337, which means that I release an attack once every half a second. My target remains in my range for a total of 4.8 seconds, starting from the moment I issue an attack command. Maths would suggest that I would hit the target 9 times, my last attack missed because my target disjointed it. My attacks do 100 damage, I therefore did 900 damage in total.

                                    Now I acquire a prince's knife. My projectile speed has become 1440 as a result of the 60% bonus to projectile speed the knife has granted. This means that from the moment I attack, it takes 0.3125 seconds for my target to be impacted. Yet again I attack my target which remains within my range for 4.8 seconds with my attack speed of 337 which is unchanged from what it was before. I notice that my attacks connect faster, but since my attack speed has remained the same there is a larger gap between when my projectile hits the target, and when I am ready to attack next. In the 4.8 seconds I was able to land a hit on the target, I hit the same 9 shots as before. This is because 4.8/(attack speed of 0.5) = 9.6 shots. In order to hit my target a 10th time I would need to have a fraction of a second longer. In order to deal another hit, my target would have had to remain in place for a longer period of time, making it clear that my dps has not increased. Whilst my total damage may have changed should I have landed that 10th shot, my dps has remained the same as it was before, since I required more seconds in order to deal the extra damage I did.

                                    You can test this yourself, go into a demo, spawn a dummy target and keep hitting it with and without prince's knife. The amount of time you spend attacking it with prince's knife and without it is completely irrelevant and wont change your dps.

                                    TL:DR: You are the one who failed at basic highschool maths, either that or you don't know what the definition of dps is.

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                                    Kowareta

                                      did u just wrote all of this to say it does not change any thing on dummy targets? :)) wise words!!

                                      projectile speed increases dps because objects are goddamn moving. they are not dummies. if your attacks not reaching the target u wont do any damage.

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                                      bxtch

                                        imagine you have infinite attack speed but your projectile speed is zero. your dps is zero.
                                        whats that means? increasing projectile speed increases your goddamn dps. so simple

                                        I bought a prince's knife to increase my 0 projectile speed to .......................... wait whats 60% of 0 again?

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                                        Kowareta

                                          yeah i was editing it. i know, i should explain every details to special ppl :))

                                          zero = very low
                                          infinite = very high

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                                          bxtch

                                            And yet what you edited your response to is still incorrect so you may as well not have bothered to be honest, the smaller movements of your enemies make no real difference

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                                            Kowareta

                                              what is real difference actually? reality might be a lycan vs ench, u can run away from projectiles. or it might be sniper vs lycan.
                                              considering all aspects of the game, there are scenarios that it might have a noticeable effect. but in most cases it has no noticeable effect. heroes movement speed are relatively too slow

                                              its just meant to have a synergy with the hex. faster projectile means your first attack reaches target faster and its harder for them to disjoint etc

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                                              bxtch

                                                Yes, thank you for agreeing with me that it has no impact on your dps.

                                                Kowareta

                                                  you dont understand plain english, are you? =)))

                                                  bxtch

                                                    dont understand plain english

                                                    are you? =)))

                                                    Neither do you judging by that sentence

                                                    but in most cases it has no noticeable effect.

                                                    Again, thank you for agreeing that in most circumstances Prince's Knife has no effect on DPS. Realistically the most it can ever do is allow you to land another attack if the timings are perfect but as I explained before this makes no mathematical difference to your dps.

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                                                    Kowareta

                                                      yeah, u can say whatever. no point arguing with kids. my point is clear

                                                      Shoukyaku

                                                        movement does matter, there are enough popular heroes rn with escape capabilities or movespeed or both that ur dps is increases at least margninally, i cant really say if its significant tbh.

                                                        bxtch

                                                          yeah, u can say whatever. no point arguing with kids. my point is clear

                                                          No it isnt, you literally do not seem to understand the fundamental principles of what you are writing about

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                                                          Kowareta

                                                            DPS, damage per second, dealt damage / time
                                                            i put 10 bullets in 2 guns, one tooks a billion year to reach target another one just a year. after reaching the target both do same damage but they have different dps. time is one billion for one and 1 year for another.
                                                            yes, after reaching the target , they both do the 10 damage in same time. but does it mean they had same dps??

                                                            Androgynous

                                                              "projectile speed increases dps because objects are goddamn moving. they are not dummies. if your attacks not reaching the target u wont do any damage. "

                                                              projectile speed doesn't affect whether or not your projectiles will reach your target except in edge cases. attacks will follow the target until they land.

                                                              pointing out these fringe cases where projectile speed matters is basically saying: "ACKCHUALLY, saying princes knife doesn't increase dps is wrong" because you're taking the statement literally to mean 100% of cases it won't increase dps, when it's more like 99.99% or whatever.

                                                              no one cares about improbable situations like bloodseeker running at 4k movement speed outrunning projectiles until he can afford ghost scepter from passive gold gain.

                                                              Kowareta

                                                                its not special cases, if u want to see the effect of one parameter of a system u fix others to max
                                                                if u wanna see the performance of different gpus u pick the best other hardwares, so the only parameter that affects the performance be the gpu.

                                                                projectile speed in theory and based on math, changes the dps. thats for sure.
                                                                but in this certain environment the effect is not noticeable that much. like u buy a super good gpu on cheap system.

                                                                Kowareta

                                                                  a good example is 2 snipers start dueling each other at certain time, which one kills the other first? the one with faster projectile speed. what does it mean? he had more fucking dps!!!!

                                                                  bxtch

                                                                    projectile speed in theory and based on math, changes the dps. thats for sure.

                                                                    No it doesnt, I literally showed you the mathematical theory that proves projectile speed has no real impact on dps.

                                                                    a good example is 2 snipers start dueling each other at certain time, which one kills the other first? the one with faster projectile speed. what does it mean? he had more fucking dps!!!!

                                                                    No it doesnt, that is not what dps is. If the 2 snipers were to shoot eachother for a set amount of time then they would both do the same damage in the same amount of time irrespective of projectile speed. This is an actual test of dps. Your example merely points out that the sniper with the quicker projectile speed would have their damage applied first, but that is not relevant in a dps test. A dps test is a measurement of damage over time, your example lacks time and is therefore a bad example. The fact that you are arguing against basic science which you can prove yourself ingame with a test dummy is hilarious.

                                                                    You are holding on to a very low chance that your opponent may disjoint your final attack, however as I suggested earlier in most games given your attack speed the window for this to happen is less than a third of a second normally meaning its very unlikely that projectile speed will make a quantifiable difference to the damage you output. Also as previously stated, even if they do disjoint your attack it doesnt mean your dps has decreased.

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                                                                    Androgynous

                                                                      or the sniper which doesn't have princes knife instead has a pirates hat, how about that.

                                                                      "i put 10 bullets in 2 guns, one tooks a billion year to reach target another one just a year. after reaching the target both do same damage but they have different dps. time is one billion for one and 1 year for another. "

                                                                      this is a good analogy because you could instead have a gun that shoots bigger bullets, or shoots quicker, and it would be better in this situations, and also ones that don't require a bullet that takes a billion years to hit its target.

                                                                      if you have one choice of a neutral item and your goal is to kill an enemy hero quicker, you have better options than princes knife.

                                                                      Kowareta

                                                                        yeah, doing X damage in billion years == doing X damage in a year. cause u did all of that damage in t seconds after reaching the target :))) the distance is just not a matter :)))

                                                                        so i have a question. if 2 heroes with same health start hitting at each other, which one will win the duel? the one who has power of anime or the one who has higher dps??

                                                                        thats literally the only valid way of comparing dps :)))

                                                                        Kabir singh's bo0ster

                                                                          U guys will be remembered as some of the greatest mathematicians to ever live one day.

                                                                          Kowareta

                                                                            what u saying androgynous is literally out of discussion
                                                                            are u a child or sth? why u changing the subject
                                                                            subject is not what is the best tier 4 item, subject is the effect of projectile speed on your dps. simple as that.

                                                                            as i said many times between my words, it has not much effect on your dps compare to other parameters in current state of the game.

                                                                            i just dont get it, its basic logic and math. problem with you ppl is u wanna solve the hard problems, but u cant even solve the eziest ones.

                                                                            bxtch

                                                                              This guy is so stupid you cant even talk to him at this point. Its like trying to explain the benefits of socialism to a redneck

                                                                              Kowareta

                                                                                or the sniper which doesn't have princes knife instead has a pirates hat, how about that.

                                                                                if your parents used protection when banging each other i wouldnt bother myself here arguing with their retarded child, how about that?

                                                                                thats the ending. hope i get banned. literally bunch of brainless morons :))

                                                                                Androgynous

                                                                                  how am i changing the subject. im just reiterating what i said before. outside of fringe cases, where projectiles get disjointed or other uncommon situations, projectile speed has no effect on dps.

                                                                                  the reason im comparing it to another neutral item is because the OP's post is about a player who picked princes knife under the assumption it would help kill a target quicker, which it would only do in the situation you are describing, a difference of one auto attack reaching it's target or not, a situation that can be prevented in other ways i.e. increasing dps in normal ways, damage or attack speed.

                                                                                  the dps increase from projectile speed is irrelevant in almost all situations. it's like saying attack range lowers dps because your projectiles take longer to travel.

                                                                                  so instead of making your attacks reach your target quicker which only works one in a million times, which you are only reinforcing, by stating a situation where 2 heroes have the exact same stats other than projectile speed, a neutral item that increases damage or attack speed will increase dps in situations that aren't cherry picked.

                                                                                  Androgynous

                                                                                    "considering all aspects of the game, there are scenarios that it might have a noticeable effect. but in most cases it has no noticeable effect."

                                                                                    we're basically saying the same thing. i haven't stated that "projectile speed has 0 effect on dps", but you seem to have assumed i did. feel free to quote me on it. i said in my first post that in most cases it makes no difference.

                                                                                    since the discussion is about picking princes knife for the projectile speed over a different item, and not "would you rather have +60% projectile speed or nothing", it's just misleading to say that it does increase dps, because its increases are negligible, and in the cases where it matters, one it's not the only option and two there are better options.

                                                                                    Dreadnought325

                                                                                      Projectile speed merely reduces the reaction time of the enemy who wants to disjoint your attack period.

                                                                                      ETdAWESOME

                                                                                        It wouldn't matter for the most part, right?
                                                                                        The attack projectile flies faster and thus hits earlier, but you are still unable to throw the next projectile until your attack backswing is finished and you start the next attack. Isn't that just attack speed?
                                                                                        Only if you're in really far distances would make a difference in DPS. Theoretical here:
                                                                                        1500+ distance or so, from the moment you launch the first attack projectile at an attack speed of .33, count out a second and see how much dmg was dealt.
                                                                                        -Without the prince's knife, only 2 attacks hit, at 100 dmg each. 200 dmg
                                                                                        -With the prince's knife, the 3rd attack was able to hit within that 1 second count period, so 300 dmg.
                                                                                        =So, yes, prince's knife will equate to more DPS, but only at a certain distance away from target, depending on the initial attack projectile speed. For heroes like Sniper and Gyro, it basically wouldn't matter. For an Ench, it could be the difference between that last projectile connecting and killing.
                                                                                        End of the day, like already stated before... the hex is probably the more valuable part of the item.

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                                                                                          Time for a Online class Kids

                                                                                          1) Projectile speed - The speed at which the bullet travels after it has left the barrel. i.e- Speed of bullet.
                                                                                          2) Attack speed - The speed at which a gun shoots bullets. i.e.- Fire rate of gun.

                                                                                          Now on the DPS topic.
                                                                                          DPS is pretty lose term when the variables change by wide margins, luckily this is not the case for Dota2 when related to right click attack.

                                                                                          If you don't add constraints.
                                                                                          A gun that does 1 billion damage in 1 hit but can only shoot once every 100 secs will have more DPS than a gun that shoots 1000 bullets with 100 damage in 1 sec. kowa god is probably confused over this.

                                                                                          In dota, the projectile speed increase affects only the Reaction/dodge timer for enemy (which synergies well with the hex component).

                                                                                          The DPS for hero is entirely dependent on Damage and Attack speed of the hero.

                                                                                          Further simple explanation.[PK-prince's knife]
                                                                                          1) Shoot a bullet, it takes 5 seconds to go from point A to point B.
                                                                                          2) With PK, it will take 3 seconds to go from point A to point B.
                                                                                          3) Shoot 10 bullets - 1 damage each at 1 bullet per second, every single bullet will take 5 seconds to go from point A to B. Which implies by the time 5th bullet is launched the first bullet will reach point B. Further implies, to hit all 10 bullets you will take 15 seconds, but the dmg on target is still 1 damage per second.
                                                                                          4) With PK - same explanation as above, to hit all 10 bullets you will take 13 seconds, but the damage on target is still 1 damage per second.
                                                                                          5) In case 1- the damage on target starts at 5 seconds and ends at 15 seconds.
                                                                                          6) In case 2- the damage on target starts at 3 seconds and ends at 13 seconds.
                                                                                          7) The DPS is same in both cases, it's just the first and last contact timings are different. which affect the reaction timer for the target.

                                                                                          You need to separate the Gun, Bullet, Target while making calculations.

                                                                                          ๖ۣۜ Nihil༻⚡

                                                                                            If you had prince knife that grants you +60% projectile speed it doesn't increase dps, it remains the same and bat or as or damage are all same, but you're hits acting like naruto run with pig-o-jitsu (KappaPride)

                                                                                            Gluttony

                                                                                              Its good on TA coz u can aim psi blades easier with faster projectile

                                                                                              PiketteClairey

                                                                                                People with no math or engineering degrees are arguing with a former Team Secret analyst?

                                                                                                So...

                                                                                                #1 it's a DPS increase from the standpoint of the launched attack — not from the receiving target (not sure idiots can understand the concept).

                                                                                                #2 Targets in Dota2 are constantly in movement unless stunned or simply retarded (obviously the case with many of you here).

                                                                                                #3 For any hero with low projectile speed but fast attack speed, it's a finite dps increase EVEN on a dummy target

                                                                                                #4 As Kowareta said (who seems to be the only sentient being on these forums other than matrice or Coco) even if you remove the hex component from the item and have 2 Snipers shooting at each other, the one with higher projectile speed will always kill the other one first.

                                                                                                Just think about playing Batrider... If you have half a brain it should be sufficient to understand.

                                                                                                Funny how people argue with someone who took an account from 0 to as high as their shit tier mains are, all while carrying 4 Guardians/Crusaders along the way.

                                                                                                Talk when you're knowledgeable enough.

                                                                                                Edit: And YES. It's finite and only applies to certain heroes (which is why I talked about Gyro/Sniper) — but it's STILL A DAMN INCREASE.

                                                                                                The actual reason there's projectile speed increase on the item is to make sure the hex connects.

                                                                                                Edit: For retards not understanding why Kowareta mentionned OD/Huskar and I'll add Viper to the list... if your projectile reaches the target faster, it means you have extra stacks on Arcane orb for your next attack and for Huskar/Viper it means your stacks take effect faster. No matter how small its a damn DPS increase.

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                                                                                                Shoukyaku

                                                                                                  its very obvious with the od's and silencers of the world but i dont think it matters much every ranged hero.

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                                                                                                    "People with no math or engineering degrees are arguing with a former Team Secret analyst?".

                                                                                                    I checked all the former listed analysts of Team secret, they are all on some other teams so which one are you.

                                                                                                    "It's a DPS increase from the standpoint of launched attack" - Using random words only works against idiots.

                                                                                                    DPS- DAMAGE PER SECOND. It's literally in the name. DAMAGE DONE PER SECOND.
                                                                                                    It is only based on 2 factors.
                                                                                                    1) Damage per shot.
                                                                                                    2) Rate of fire.
                                                                                                    DPS is only based on either the attacker point or receiver point.
                                                                                                    A stray projectile has no relation whatsoever to DPS.

                                                                                                    If you shot 1 bullet per second, your bullet reaching the target instantly or after 10 secs doesn't affect DPS.
                                                                                                    It's gonna be 1 bullet out every second from source and 1 bullet in every second at target.

                                                                                                    More projectile speed, doesn't mean more projectiles, it means shorter path completion time.
                                                                                                    The improvement it provides is better ability to connect attacks and reducing the reaction time frame for enemies.

                                                                                                    Equating better ability to land attacks to DPS increase, is just stretching the definition of the term.

                                                                                                    "for Huskar/Viper it means your stacks take effect faster. No matter how small its a damn DPS increase."
                                                                                                    - Huskar has a projectile speed of 1400. This implies his projectiles travel 1400 units in 1 second.(for reference lowest is 700 on winter and highest is 3000 on sniper/gyro)
                                                                                                    - With PK, the projectile speed is 2240.
                                                                                                    - Huskar has BAT of 1.6 i.e he attacks once every 1.6 seconds. At max attackspeed (700) he attacks once every .228 seconds (1/7 times BAT).
                                                                                                    - Asuuming he is attacking at 915 range (dragon lance + telescope aura + Ballista)
                                                                                                    Without PK, the travel time is 0.65sec
                                                                                                    With PK, the travel time is 0.40sec.
                                                                                                    -This implies, your attacks land .25 sec faster(ergo DOT update) between the attack intervals of .228 seconds.
                                                                                                    - The supposed DPS increase on DOT heroes you claim is only for heroes with absurd attack range and low attack speed.
                                                                                                    *If you wanna check make a spreadsheet, get the values from gamepedia or liquidpedia and do the calculations.*
                                                                                                    So to conclude,
                                                                                                    1) The DPS increase for DOT based heroes you claim is non existent. (They attack too fast for the projectile speed to matter)
                                                                                                    2) You suck at being a analyst.
                                                                                                    3) You should return your degree to the respective university if you have any, this is just embarrassing.

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                                                                                                    Androgynous

                                                                                                      > if your projectile reaches the target faster, it means you have extra stacks on Arcane orb for your next attack and for Huskar/Viper it means your stacks take effect faster. No matter how small its a damn DPS increase.

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                                                                                                      dunno how to get them both to attack at the exact same time so that's why the damage numbers are off by more than one attack. dps values are basically the same, variance can also be due to random damage variance.

                                                                                                      your next attack is not going to hit before the previous one reaches no matter what. arcane orb damage is calculated on hit not on projectile launch, so it doesn't change anything. your nth attack is still going to deal damage based on having n-1 stacks.

                                                                                                      if you're saying that maybe your current attack would have restored your mana and affected the damage of a projectile still travelling, essence procs on the attack start so whether or not your projectile is in the air or connected is irrelevant, because it would have already restored your mana before the attack connects. your attack launch times have not changed with pk, and so essence procs haven't either. only attack speed would affect whether or not you had more mana at that moment in time.

                                                                                                      huskar's burning spears are all independent instances. being dot is irrelevant. it's still a case of "my projectile landed 0.2s sooner with pk at this specific point in time I did marginally more dps because I have one extra hit than without pk"

                                                                                                      only one that matters is viper because your projectile could reach before the damage interval of poison attack and therefore increase the damage + magic resist values.

                                                                                                      i'm not arguing that it isn't a dps increase. it's just so marginal it's not even worth considering when you pick up a prince's knife. your attacks do the same amount of damage and the interval between each attack has not changed. if you plotted a graph of number of hits against time the only difference is the one with princes knife is shifted back 0.2s.

                                                                                                      if your goal is to kill heroes in less time than before, taking princes knife is retarded. that's OP's point. it's not a choice of having princes knife or nothing, because no idiot would choose to not have a neutral item unless it's to make an argument seem in their favour - besides the 3 items that have negative effects, literally any neutral item is better than not having one.

                                                                                                      consistency

                                                                                                        I only pick it up for the free hex???? best cc in dota is hex