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General DiscussionSEA pub matches are harder than EUW matches.

SEA pub matches are harder than EUW matches. in General Discussion
Apostle

    I calibrated in SEA back before dota 2 reborn happened, at 1.1k mmr in SEA. Which is for good reason, I lost games more than I won. At the time I didn't think I was that good because I'm struggling in SEA and stuff, and my win rate was under 50%.

    And then I moved to Europe for high school, and I started playing in EUW pubs, and it was honestly so much better. I win more games than I lose, and players are being supportive, and I think I actually climbed in hidden mmr (never bothered to climb since reborn), I'm being matched up with crusaders and archons and I feel like I'm getting somewhere. I feel like I'm playing like a 2k and possibly even a 3k.

    Once I go back to SEA, it has been problematic for me. At first I thought this would be simple, I improved that much in EUW, so surely I can win in SEA because I'm a lot better now, and turns out this is not the case. Winning in SEA is far harder than EUW. I've read all of the posts on how SEA players work and how good they are but nothing works. I spam heros like Meepo and Brood and Pudge and dominate the mid game however I find increasingly that SEA is a 1v9 where my team play like how you would expect of SEA players with little understanding of the meta, the map and when to push. The other team will always seem to be more on point, with rotations to my lane and a general understanding of positioning, knowing when to push and team fights. Despite winning my lane in practically every game ive played in my games aside from a rare few, mid game the situation is so poor that the game will be untenable. SEA is blighted by toxic players and smurfs which make winning reliably impossible. Even if I find myself on a small streak of wins I will quickly revert to where I was due to smurfs preying on the 1ks on my team.

    I know I am not a 1k player because I dominate and control the pace of my 2-3k EUW games and yet when I play in SEA I keep losing and I just got worse according to the system. I implore valve to allow for the recalibration of solo mmr. There are players in SEA which simply do not belong to their mmr but are being held back by poor teammates, smurfing players and the tilt that comes with losing due to the crap that happens in SEA. Something has to be done to help and educate players who want to improve remotely escape the pit of SEA pubs because it is disheartening knowing that SEA games are always going to be more luck based than skill based.

    To clarify I am not being racist, but rather this is an objective fact that everyone should know.

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    Sand1

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      varjager

        You played turbo games with 1k's in eu west and now you play turbo? games with 1k's in SEA.
        I do think there is cultural differences between regions that can affect the experience but when it comes to mmr the skill level should be the same between the bigger regions.

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        Yami Yugi

          Ako mid bobo

          shady_stuff

            i dont think you dominate and control
            u have about a 2.0 kda

            kuci

              Now that's what i call some shady stuff

              Feachairu

                this is real review from someone who plays in2349192312 servers
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KldFLlxygIY

                btw,i gotta agree that we need to 1vs9 in almost every game,send help

                Feachairu

                  "sea server is pretty fucking bad dude"
                  LOL

                  死の恐怖 Haseo

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                    Player 281121816

                      The only mistake you did was you go back to that server with full of 3rd world’s country primitive sea monkeys

                      Ricky Bobby

                        SEA is very cancerous. Played on ot most of my dota career. Went to aussi and US west servers for several months and the experience is so much better.

                        TBH, its filipinos that ruin the game experience in SEA. Never met such a n immature uncooperative race in my life.

                        '96 Neve Campbell

                          The fact that u guys dont get the joke here is actually way funnier than the ops crap attempt at humour

                          She`s Not here Right now

                            I win 6/10 games in Sea in B conduct, 2/10 games at F conduct. I moved to Birmingham recently. Win like 18/20 solo core matches with cheese brood, lesh or dusa.

                            Eddie

                              You're not real man until you can handle the south East Asian beasts from the jungle

                              Feachairu

                                cyka blyat you all

                                AnŦaiN

                                  That mean i would be immortal in eu server . God take me to eu plz .

                                  Ricky Bobby

                                    Naw. Its the filipinos. They are called pignoys for a reason. This is the problem with the game, its major player base is from a country where kids in villages without rumming water play dota at an internet cafe

                                    Sygma zxc ghoul 2y.o dead...

                                      You just need to trigger the ennemies in SEA to win. They'll just come chain feed on you.

                                      If you can't be above 50% win rate in SEA, you are just bad.

                                      EUW players are better and will most likely bait and punish mistakes from you instead of just chain feeding you.

                                      PS: Flame incoming ~

                                      dead acc

                                        If you know you're a good player use this method
                                        ( in low mmr bracket suitable )
                                        what u need is to get a rampage first on your profile and do this kind of shit everygame
                                        type something random that makes them think you're a booster
                                        like this
                                        " facebook.com/gg/seammrboosting "
                                        insta mid HAHA!

                                        dead acc

                                          I used that method to rank my friends acc
                                          check this out
                                          https://www.dotabuff.com/players/198855864

                                          dead acc

                                            There's no such thing as trench in 1k mmr man i swear 500 mmr in 1 day
                                            https://www.dotabuff.com/players/198855864

                                            Apostle

                                              The fact that u guys dont get the joke here is actually way funnier than the ops crap attempt at humour

                                              Is it crap because its as original and unique as you complaining about your trash teammates for losing instead of looking at the mistakes you made or the toxic attitude you have?

                                              kuci

                                                Whoa shots fired boiz here we go again

                                                '96 Neve Campbell

                                                  No its crap because you have <2k/d/a across the board and you still think you have the right to critique something that I wrote about how people throw games in the lower brackets. You are probably on the level of the people I was describing in that thread

                                                  Apostle

                                                    No its crap because blah blah blah I'm stupid so imma project my inferiority onto you

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                                                    pL0x

                                                      heres my thought on it, SEA is more tryhard, SEA is ''competitive'', SEA has the spirit of one who really wants to win as compared to the easily giving up spirit on EU, SEA is way more focused on winning than any other regions by far, which is also the reason the flame and toxicity is high due to the anger it induces the players from losing. Yet despite all of this, SEA can never win a TI for some fucking reason

                                                      gitgudfewg

                                                        Hahaha i cant believe you asked someone in torte de lini's server to help your argument, sad

                                                        LittleFingers

                                                          ^ SEA can't win TI and won't be able to win it because Solo MMR is waaayy too different than pro matches. Yeah they might group up ppl like Abed, Midone, IYD, etc., But they will easily got dumpstered by any mediocre Chinese team, because they lack strategies, hero selection combos, timings, etc.
                                                          In other words, SEA coaches are sucks and stupid.

                                                          eXcel

                                                            I love SingSing’s sunmary of the servers, funny coz true

                                                            SirIronSights

                                                              @Sygma.Pride ~
                                                              i dont know how to flame you.
                                                              im just gonna say your rank is bad in the hope you wont hover my rank and discover my true identity.

                                                              your rank is bad.

                                                              there you go you got flamed. my job is done

                                                              Sygma zxc ghoul 2y.o dead...

                                                                there you go you got flamed. my job is done

                                                                You are welcome mate !

                                                                your rank is bad [...] your rank is bad.

                                                                Nice argument man ! This one still doesn't deny the fact that SEA players are banelings and EUW ones are much better in terms of macro.

                                                                you wont hover my rank and discover my true identity.

                                                                Man even if I feed mid during 378947398 games I won't reach your archon 1 level, sorry about that !

                                                                About your true identity, I guess you are the original prototype of the ancester of noobs according to your last magnus game in normal skill : https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4273836222

                                                                Best regards "rank is bad" boy, enjoy your normal skill games !

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                                                                Ayaneru   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                                                                  China = worst region.

                                                                  Thats according to me.

                                                                  谐儿 Xie Er

                                                                    I like how all commenting bad about SEA server are below 5k .I mean... I Play in SEA cause I get terrible internet when I go with EU and US .. I mean... What to do ?? Don't be toxic like them , be different . I lose games because of selfish people in SEA but without "those" selfish people... like having Armel n other pro players in a team in SEA Who have carried me are like .. Meh.. It's ez win. Ez support , Ez Offlane , Ez Carry . As long as you cooperate with them , even if they don't. BUT IF THEY WILL .. ofcourse it's sure win. That's how I got this leaderboard rank even tho I'm falling apart cause of selfish people. yea. xd

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                                                                    谐儿 Xie Er

                                                                      It's so much alright if one race is like , in the same team and not toxic at all . Like Filipino , I'm a proud and honest ''non'' toxic Filipino person. But the problem is that there's a 90% chance that there will always be an outsider in your team just like persons who don't want to communicate cause they only speak their language . That's so ... lame.. man..