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General DiscussionWhy Are People So Against Vengeful Spirit As A Pos. 1?

Why Are People So Against Vengeful Spirit As A Pos. 1? in General Discussion
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    After I started playing venge i found out that she could also be played as a core. As i continued i fell in love with it. Downside though, people rage and have a meltdown over me picking a venge. She has one of my highest consistent win rates as a core and works so well, but people hate it with a passion.
    Why though?

    Kotato

      low mmr bracket hates everything

      chicken spook,,,,

        oee me pik spekter me cary fek of vs go supp lol

        Rocket

          a) most venge carries they meet will fail
          b) they will use any excuse to force someone to play support (aka the necrophos syndrome)
          c) they are stupid and can't handle change

          Shou

            It's the "I play dota like it's 2012"

            SASA POPOVIC

              Thats what you get for trying to be hipster and fancy in low brackets, play usual stuff until you climb where you will play with people who actually read patch notes and follow changes.

              unbreakable spirit

                Well before I spammed veng core I had like 86 percentage win rate with her, then I tried spamming veng core and the win rate became 67, it might work really well in lower tier, in 3k bracket they will never let you do it

                unbreakable spirit

                  Veng core is pretty strong though, if you build right items, she has high dps and high armor

                  шойгу где шарды

                    Well because she is still not really a carry. Early peak - yes, high stats gain - yes, but suboptimal compared to other options

                    nr

                      doesnt matter if you stomp them in early games , i guess i would play lion as a core aswell

                      ywn

                        It's good for laning(duals and tri) and 5 manning and rosh good with another strong carry hero on mid like ta sf storm tb Pl etc

                        Dex

                          I used to play pos 5 venge with beyond godlike streak in 5k bracket

                          1-IceTea 🌟

                            Same reason they against me when I play Jungling Ursa

                            Ayaneru   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                              Aside from VS, I also think Slardar is a great core hero.

                              An unmatched speed, short cd aoe stun + slow, bash if lock down, and his infamous minus armor ult.

                              I have a game, where theres a carry slardar and he's fat as fuck and hits like a truck. Literally you die right away on his single stun + right click. His build I believe was: Threads, Midas, Echo Sabre, Dag, SB.

                              Shou

                                midas sounds super dumb on a core hero like slardar who cant take it late without getting kited a lot
                                whenever i see it, the build has been armlet dagger into shit like sb bkb ac etc

                                casual gamer

                                  not a fan of omelette on slardar, especially after the nerf

                                  why buy armlet when u could have shadow blade which is a dps item with massive usefulness that doesnt drain 54 hp a second

                                  Feachairu

                                    play her like clink with mom+sb+deso+bkb
                                    you literally melt buildings,just tell your friends to fight top or fake a fight at top and you destroy btm alone
                                    they find you,bkb
                                    almost 4s,bkb tp out

                                    Shou

                                      armlet is too good on strength heroes plus u tanky
                                      or u can go MoM if youre feeling ballsy

                                      bearcat0611

                                        MoM just sounds bad, you have decent armor but it's not that great and you already take increased damage with sprint. When I played It I think I usually went armlet blink deso or something like that. I've also gone solar crest and found that to work well as well.

                                        casual gamer

                                          armlet is too good on strength heroes

                                          ur just wrong though

                                          like ur asserting an opinion, and that opinion is just craaaazy and also wrong

                                          Feachairu

                                            mom isnt bad,try it lol
                                            makes you farm insane
                                            if picking off backlines just sb-hit-stun-wave-mom

                                            also without mom you can't really damage buildings alone(wat my playstyle for venge pos 1 at the top)

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                                            Shou

                                              idk i like armlet a lot, its just the most cost efficient dmg item for a strength hero in the game

                                              Bill Cutting

                                                Because u will become position 5 like Midone 😂😂

                                                chicken spook,,,,

                                                  I've talked to adrian about this months ago and ye we agreed MoM slard is alright

                                                  Dogwater

                                                    Because fuck change it’s still dota 1 and I’m gonna do my old dota 1 builds and the heroes that were strong then are still the ones strong now and I’m right cause I’ve been playing the longgest and I don’t know whatbthe hell patch notes are omegalul

                                                    Tribo

                                                      You're not MuShi, stop trying to play that hero as a pos 1. You will always fail to do so.

                                                      Toudou Kirin

                                                        i usually like pos1 vs, it was played when i started dota. But when i see my safe laner picking core vs against an enemy pl/ck or brood i just hate the safelaner because by nature of the picks he screwed up!

                                                        CrusaderSk

                                                          Venge is not viable in most cases... Easy to gank in lane.. Can be shit on by most meta roamers and offlanes like clock.. And you cannot really setup a Venge unless you have the team to help you Carry the game.. She doesn't take stacks..roams mid game.. Gets counter ganked and dies.. Battlefury buffs have made the late game around the 40 min mark... She doesn't have as much impact as say a Jugg or Lifestealer... She can be nuked..kited and just be less than a nuisance in a team fight.. As you said.. You kill a support in a bsck with mom.. But if you show yourself.. I as a carry will jump you as soon as you mom.. And you die..thats all

                                                          Shou

                                                            ^you don't rlly know what you're talking abt.
                                                            Venge carry is perfectly fine, but it requires a good lane and a good game plan which you have to coordinate with your team, something you won't always achieve.

                                                            👉👉P O S I T I V I T Y :D

                                                              3 out of my 7 venge games were all pos 1 (no true sight unfortunately)
                                                              And I got no flames whatsoever, I even got praised on them

                                                              Eddie

                                                                @washed up Wtf dude lmao there's something defo wrong with you man..

                                                                Shou

                                                                  ^i mean there is something wrong with everyone so idk what ur talking abt specifically

                                                                  Jacked

                                                                    Because she's lacklustre as a pos 1 carry. Who the hell knows what pros are thinking ? It doesn't work in pubs.

                                                                    Shou

                                                                      Why shouldn't it work?
                                                                      She makes rosh easier.
                                                                      She is fairly tanky for an agi carry.
                                                                      Comes online early.
                                                                      Pushes well.
                                                                      Synergizes with physical dmg teammates.
                                                                      Provides kill potential in lane.
                                                                      Isn't hampered by cooldowns.
                                                                      Her main weaknesses are lack of aoe/waveclear and slow farming, but she can go MoM or maelstrom to cover her a bit and she plays very early game tempo like a razor or maybe Ursa or whatever so she doesn't rely on farming too much anyway.

                                                                      Cobrex :c

                                                                        80% of carries can jump her in 2s. She is only strong against certain heroes and yes, you do need to have a team in front of you. So, why not get a sniper then lol

                                                                        chicken spook,,,,

                                                                          Venge carry is perfectly fine, but it requires a good lane and a good game plan which you have to coordinate with your team, something you won't always achieve.

                                                                          then its not fine